Iran calls for security co-operation with pakistan

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FreeAsia2000

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3 visits in 5 days from Iranian ministers and now the Iranians want
security co-operation. Signs are that China will oppose sanctions against
Iran and Pakistan has stated that it is opposed to any military action.

Does this mean Pakistan, Iran (and possibly China) may begin co-operating
in the arms production field as was once suggested by the Shah ?

Iran for closer ties with Pakistan

Nirupama Subramanian

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has played host to three Iranian delegations in the last five days, with Iranian Vice-President Parivz Davoudi, the latest to arrive on Thursday.

During his two-day visit, Mr. Davoudi is expected to discuss political and economic issues with Pakistani leaders, including the U.S.-Iran standoff on the nuclear issue.

He is expected to meet President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz.

Reaffirms support

Pakistan on Thursday reaffirmed its support for resolution of the nuclear issue through dialogue.

In discussions with Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki, who arrived on Wednesday, Mr. Aziz said his Government recognised Iran's right to use nuclear technology for peaceful purposes, according to the Pakistan Government Web site. Mr. Mottaki was here for the ministerial meeting of the Pakistan-Iran Joint Commission for economic and trade relations, a day after the two countries and India held two days of talks on the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline.

The talks failed to break the impasse on the pricing issue. The next meeting will take place in India in July.

Mr. Aziz told Mr. Mottaki that Pakistan was pursuing the project keeping in view its national interest.

Both leaders discussed the possibilities for expanding economic and trade relations.

He said Pakistan would build "brotherly relations" with Iran based on religious, cultural, political, historical and economic ties, and a shared interest in regional peace.

The Iranian Minister later said his Government was seeking a broad-based relationship with Pakistan.

In an interview to Pakistan Television, he said his country wanted a "comprehensive relationship with Pakistan including security co-operation."
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The Anza MKIII does have some similar points to the Igla which Iran
has now started mass producing
 
isthvan

isthvan

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FreeAsia2000 said:
3 visits in 5 days from Iranian ministers and now the Iranians want security co-operation. Signs are that China will oppose sanctions against Iran and Pakistan has stated that it is opposed to any military action.

Does this mean Pakistan, Iran (and possibly China) may begin co-operating in the arms production field as was once suggested by the Shah ?
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Well if Pakistan signs any kind of military deal whit Iran they can forget about any kind of American diplomatic support or military equipment purchases…
Basically no F-16, no frigates, no spear parts and no American investments in Pakistan…
So I doubt that Pakistan would choose Iran over US…
 
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FreeAsia2000

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isthvan said:
Well if Pakistan signs any kind of military deal whit Iran they can forget about any kind of American diplomatic support or military equipment purchases…
Basically no F-16, no frigates, no spear parts and no American investments in Pakistan…
So I doubt that Pakistan would choose Iran over US…
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The Pressler amendment was enacted even though there was no co-operation
with Iran. The same punishment for two seperate offenses is really an empty punishment

Also Pakistan already has a reliable supplier so it's basically something
that Pakistan has dealt with in the past and has prepared for in the future.

Iran is next door, shares cultural, historical and ethnic ties with Pakistan and is a rising regional power with access to massive energy resources. Despite being virtually embargoed by the US it has developed some interesting aircraft and munitions as a result of having a fantastic educational system.

Now with Iran supporting Gwadar Pakistan's naval ambitions are on the verge of fruition
 
isthvan

isthvan

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FreeAsia2000 said:
The Pressler amendment was enacted even though there was no co-operation
with Iran. The same punishment for two seperate offenses is really an empty punishment

Also Pakistan already has a reliable supplier so it's basically something
that Pakistan has dealt with in the past and has prepared for in the future.

Iran is next door, shares cultural, historical and ethnic ties with Pakistan and is a rising regional power with access to massive energy resources. Despite being virtually embargoed by the US it has developed some interesting aircraft and munitions as a result of having a fantastic educational system.

Now with Iran supporting Gwadar Pakistan's naval ambitions are on the verge of fruition
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Well mate since Pakistan is independent state it has every write to choose allies as it wants…
But if you won’t to be ally to US you can’t develop or sell weapons to US enemies…
US will not have problems if Pakistan make economic deals whit Iran but if Pakistan chooses to have military ties whit Iran it must be prepared to suffer consequences…
You can’t expect that US will supply military equipment to you if you supply military equipment to country that is on US enemy list… That’s all I saying…
 
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FreeAsia2000

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isthvan said:
Well mate since Pakistan is independent state it has every write to choose allies as it wants…
But if you won’t to be ally to US you can’t develop or sell weapons to US enemies…
US will not have problems if Pakistan make economic deals whit Iran but if Pakistan chooses to have military ties whit Iran it must be prepared to suffer consequences…
You can’t expect that US will supply military equipment to you if you supply military equipment to country that is on US enemy list… That’s all I saying…
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Understand isthvan don't worry i can understand your point :)

However as I've said there's a lot of bitterness in Pakistan over the
Pressler period as well as the Clinton government supplying equipment
which they thought couldn't be incorporated into the F-16 despite
selling it to Pakistan as such consequently the days that the US
could hold the threat of sanctions over Pakistan as a stick are well
and truly over.

Pakistan now fully expects american sanctions to be the norm and
not the exception thus the threat of sanctions for conduct is irrelevant.

Pakistan's relations with Tehran were in a state of limbo during the late
1990's because of Pakistani American support for the deposed afghan
regime. Now Pakistan as well as Iran appear to have reached a consensus
on Afghanistan which is why you should expect to hear a great deal
about Pakistan's aid to Iran's nuclear programme as a stick to beat
Pakistan with again
 
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isthvan

isthvan

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VIP Professional
FreeAsia2000 said:
Understand isthvan don't worry i can understand your point :)

However as I've said there's a lot of bitterness in Pakistan over the
Pressler period as well as the Clinton government supplying equipment
which they thought couldn't be incorporated into the F-16 despite
selling it to Pakistan as such consequently the days that the US
could hold the threat of sanctions over Pakistan as a stick are well
and truly over.

Pakistan now fully expects american sanctions to be the norm and
not the exception thus the threat of sanctions for conduct is irrelevant.

Pakistan's relations with Tehran were in a state of limbo during the late
1990's because of Pakistani American support for the deposed afghan
regime. Now Pakistan as well as Iran appear to have reached a consensus
on Afghanistan which is why you should expect to hear a great deal
about Pakistan's aid to Iran's nuclear programme as a stick to beat
Pakistan with again
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What I don’t understand is why is Pakistan buying large amounts of US military equipment if they are considering military cooperation whit Iran? I mean they are getting/already received F-16s, helicopters, frigates, howitzers…
Why are they buying equipment if they know that they will not be able to receive any spare parts?
Since they are already suffered US embargo and since they know what will be American answer to any security deal whit Iran why are they spending billions on equipment which they will not be able to use?
Why don’t they simple find supplier that don’t puts any political terms to weapons sales?
 
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maglomanic

Junior Member
The article is merely talking about security co-operation. It doesnt necessarily mean weapon transfer and as such. Both countries share borders have problems with smugglers and law order trouble makers.

There are other countries which offer much more than Pakistan can offer in terms of arms to Iran. Namely China and Russia.Us can't stop those at all.
 
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