Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.

Blitzo · Tuesday at 9:40 PM

by78 said:
What? This is just incredible. It seems the prevailing institutional attitude remains such that grunts are regarded as disposable, to be casually thrown away in human wave attacks. By the way, do you have any information on PLAGF/PAP's basic medical training?

Human wave attacks is a bit simplistic, but it is certainly the case that infantry overall in the PLAGF are not particularly prioritized.

In some ways, the PLAGFs focus on higher yield/higher order capabilities (fires, artillery, recce, EW, logistics) has been to the detriment of the lower yield capabilities. While somewhat undignified for infantry, I can't say it was necessarily a poor choice in the past.

totenchan said:
Your inability to approach this topic in a calm and objective way is confusing considering that the information you are reacting to has been floating around for years and decades in some cases. Also, where does this attitude of condescension towards people of low socioeconomic backgrounds come from? "Peasants"? Seriously? Surely you can't think that the PLAGF's training issues is the fault of the conscripts?

I agree, you can @by78, you should approach this in a less triggered manner.

I have known you for a while, and I have half a suspicion you are writing like that deliberately to get a response from some users that you've had arguments with in the past.

Chill out.

LKK815 · 2025-05-21T01:52:02-0400

The quality of this thread has really gone downhill fast. Very different from the navy and air force. Most of the recent pages are just back and forth between two arguing parties.

While I understand the need for self-critisicm, some of these critiques feels like rage bait from trolls or are meant to start an argument between certain users on this forum.

Guys chill, I think I can speak for the rest of the observers here that we came for more info/pictures of grunt kit/weapons not petty arguments.

Also i swear leakage is a troll that's trying to piss people off by rage baiting. His most recent post are emotional charged and full of hatred in my eyes.

James Zhen · 2025-05-21T10:46:35-0400

zlixOS said:
One way to speed up the process is to open up the Great Firewall so that these buffoons can see how to put on a plate carrier correctly as they watch flannel daddy shoot his guns.

Another is to send off a couple thousand soldiers to muck around in Afghanistan and have a few of them get swamped in the process, incentivizing competency (may completely backfire of course).

I'm not actually sure that the problem will self-correct; it has already been 4 years since Type-21 and 6 since Type-19 --- enough time for two rounds of dewy-eyed privates to see new gear as their first gear --- yet much of the same problems persist as from day one. And the PLA inherently doesn't have the foundational combat experience necessary to turn a private first class into a clear-minded NCO.

I think the best option is to hire foreign trainers from NATO militaries or something like that in a meaningful quantity. We've seen that kind of espionage in the PLAAF but not so much in the PLAGF.

Guntubers get their content reuploaded onto Chinese sites which helps with spreading knowledge to the public. It's why alot people are criticising the PLA/PAP PPE for a long time now.

pikusharp1 said:
Type 21 vest is single size? It makes so much sense now. The story of not wanting to issue 5 usd max tourniquet is pure insanity.

The vests come in S, M and L but units sometimes through sheer laziness will just do a single bulk purchase.

Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.

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