Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Well, for one, the carrying handle raises the sights which makes aiming more difficult. There have been a few aftermarket modifications to deal with this issue but so far it is not widespread and I don't foresee Norinco building a military-grade variant of the T97NSR-A.
This is an issue more with Doctrine and would require a farther development of the QBZ95, but is not a total kill a future QBZ95-2 could fix that.
Then you have the entire ergonomic issue of unable to fire the rifle if you're left-handed; this has reportedly been fixed with the 95-1 series but we haven't seen much of that at all.
This is a harder issue and I don't think the QBZ95-1 fixed it. The 95-1 did fix the selector but firing from the left would require a modification of the Ejection to ensure that fired brass doesn't effect the shooter fring from the left. Something like seen on the US Desert tech MDR or S&T Kinetics RB18 could fix this by directing spent casings out forward of the shooter.
Then there are a slew of end-user reviews on the Internet that pointed to issues such as accuracy deficiencies,
Accuracy is more a question of perceived verses actual. generally rifles in this class are not tack drivers and have a allowable degree of MOA. the M4A1 in general gets about 1.5-3 MOA up to 5 is generally considered serviceable.
general ease of operation (i.e. awkward location of the safety selector switch).
This was Addressed in the QBZ95-1 Which does seem to be fielding
QBZ-95 also has an inferior rate of fire compared to the QBZ-03.
Not really a big deal. Some people will try and push ideas like Hyperburst and superior rate of fire as critical, yet in the end it might not be a good thing to have "Superior Rate of Fire." A slower rate of fire means that the shooter has a bit more control on there string of fire. Back in World war 2 SMG's were a common weapon but most SMG's didn't have fire selectors yet many troops could fire single shots because the rates of fire were low.
In a modern example The M4 carbine early on had a very high rate of fire. This proved to be a problem though as the weapon suffered higher wear and damage from that higher rate of fire. Now some try and use rate of fire as a means of increasing lethality by getting multiple rounds fired into the same target in one go the So called "Hyper burst".But hyper burst requires a gun be built for it and those that are generally are way more complex and expensive and don't actually offer that much.
So between "Superior" and "Inferior" I view slower as Better. around 500 rounds per means that the shooter can very very easily pull off 1 shot -5 shot bursts in full auto mode with little training. And that means more control, longer weapon service life and less wasted ammo.
Seeing that the Indian Army is already equipping with its special forces groups (Garud, Ghatak, Para Special Forces, & others) with rifles like the Tavor & M4A1 and is actively seeking to replace its standard-issue rifles with newer developments, China needs to step up its game.
India's Small arms Program is....
There Main issue rifle the INSAS suffered from large numbers of QC and flawed manufacturing due to India building them more as a Welfare program then a defense program. Since then they have issued a improved version but went hunting for another "Better Rifle". The Problem is there first wants were pie in the sky. a Rifle that could change form 5.56x45 to 7.62x39mm at user level with out issues, that wasn't going to work. So they went back and The Indians are at the moment looking not for a new Intermediate caliber rifle but a full 7.62x51mm Rifle because they feel it's more of a "man killer".
So if that's your argument... I think it's flawed. The QBZ95 is a salvageable weapon's system.
 

Dfangsaur

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New NVG. Why that helmet though...
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
The NVG looks like its an Aviation model, that would fit on a helicopter pilots helmet which is what that is. Also note the Scope on his carbine has the lens cap on. And why in the hell is he wearing Nod in clearly broad daylight?

I don't want to sound ornery but that picture looks like it came out of a slapstick comedy which unfortunately it isn't. Like you said it's hilarious! Lens cap on the scope (and he's using the wrong type anyway) while he is clearly looking through it, NVGs on what is obviously a very bright sunny day and again no gloves.
Did he just grab some aviation helmet from a chopper pilot right before he went on his room clearing 101 course?
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
This is an issue more with Doctrine and would require a farther development of the QBZ95, but is not a total kill a future QBZ95-2 could fix that.

Well, if this is a doctrinal issue then it needs to be revamped; there are existing QBZ-95 versions with the carrying handle completely removed (the Canadian FTU modification and T-97NSR-A are two examples that spring to mind) but they are not widespread at all. In fact, even most of their special forces still use the traditional variants with iron sights.

This is a harder issue and I don't think the QBZ95-1 fixed it. The 95-1 did fix the selector but firing from the left would require a modification of the Ejection to ensure that fired brass doesn't effect the shooter fring from the left. Something like seen on the US Desert tech MDR or S&T Kinetics RB18 could fix this by directing spent casings out forward of the shooter.

The Chinese have been supposedly training their troops to shoot only from the right, which inherently limits the effectiveness of naturally left-handed individuals.

Accuracy is more a question of perceived verses actual. generally rifles in this class are not tack drivers and have a allowable degree of MOA. the M4A1 in general gets about 1.5-3 MOA up to 5 is generally considered serviceable.

QBZ-95-1 reportedly achieves 1.5 MOA at 500 meters, which is okay on paper, but it could be improved merely by lengthening the barrel (another drawback of bullpup firearms). I'm not an expert on this by any means, but I suspect that having a good optical sight would aid in accuracy as well.

Not really a big deal. Some people will try and push ideas like Hyperburst and superior rate of fire as critical, yet in the end it might not be a good thing to have "Superior Rate of Fire." A slower rate of fire means that the shooter has a bit more control on there string of fire. Back in World war 2 SMG's were a common weapon but most SMG's didn't have fire selectors yet many troops could fire single shots because the rates of fire were low.
In a modern example The M4 carbine early on had a very high rate of fire. This proved to be a problem though as the weapon suffered higher wear and damage from that higher rate of fire. Now some try and use rate of fire as a means of increasing lethality by getting multiple rounds fired into the same target in one go the So called "Hyper burst".But hyper burst requires a gun be built for it and those that are generally are way more complex and expensive and don't actually offer that much.
So between "Superior" and "Inferior" I view slower as Better. around 500 rounds per means that the shooter can very very easily pull off 1 shot -5 shot bursts in full auto mode with little training. And that means more control, longer weapon service life and less wasted ammo.

But given the small caliber of the QBZ-95 and the reports of the rifle's low recoil, I definitely think that there is room to improve its RoF. While not a critical specification, the ability to put more rounds on target within a preset time can still increase the combat efficacy of troops. And the design is certainly capable of achieving higher RoF since the QBZ-95B has an alleged RoF of 800 rounds/min (still lower than the QBZ-03 though).

India's Small arms Program is....
There Main issue rifle the INSAS suffered from large numbers of QC and flawed manufacturing due to India building them more as a Welfare program then a defense program. Since then they have issued a improved version but went hunting for another "Better Rifle". The Problem is there first wants were pie in the sky. a Rifle that could change form 5.56x45 to 7.62x39mm at user level with out issues, that wasn't going to work. So they went back and The Indians are at the moment looking not for a new Intermediate caliber rifle but a full 7.62x51mm Rifle because they feel it's more of a "man killer".
So if that's your argument... I think it's flawed. The QBZ95 is a salvageable weapon's system.

I think the Indian small arms tender is open to international vendors as well, so even if their Excalibur, MCIWS, Amogh, or INSAS upgrade doesn't work, they still have a variety of established companies to choose from. Regarding multi-caliber rifles, I believe I read somewhere that the upgraded CS/LR17 (shown at the 2018 Police Exhibition) can switch between different cartridges on the battlefield as well, so I don't think this is inherently a fatal flaw with rifles. But again, the CS/LR17 seems to be the losing entry for the PLA small arms tender.

My point was that whereas India has taken steps to replace its flawed rifles, the PLA seems to be content with equipping even her most elite troops with the standard-issue QBZ-95 with barely
 

Dfangsaur

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I don't want to sound ornery but that picture looks like it came out of a slapstick comedy which unfortunately it isn't. Like you said it's hilarious! Lens cap on the scope (and he's using the wrong type anyway) while he is clearly looking through it, NVGs on what is obviously a very bright sunny day and again no gloves.
Did he just grab some aviation helmet from a chopper pilot right before he went on his room clearing 101 course?
yeah it seems to be a just for show type of thing for the moment
I don't want to sound ornery but that picture looks like it came out of a slapstick comedy which unfortunately it isn't. Like you said it's hilarious! Lens cap on the scope (and he's using the wrong type anyway) while he is clearly looking through it, NVGs on what is obviously a very bright sunny day and again no gloves.
Did he just grab some aviation helmet from a chopper pilot right before he went on his room clearing 101 course?

Oh well, at least these more advanced NVG are being tested out somewhere.
 
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