Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.

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It looks to me that the soldier is looking through the scope of his rifle, not the NVG.

The helmet confuses the heck out of me... Might be some kind of generic platform specifically used for testing new optics??? Not sure such thing exists...

The uniform suggests that they are the marines. Not sure that means anything.

Could it some kind of training device... Reminds me of the Jedi training helmet that Obi Wan Kenobi used on Luke.. Could it be for laser tagging?

I honestly don’t think this is something crazy. There’s gotta be a simple answer to this. I mean, if he’s wearing a straw hat, then we can say that the guy simply grab something and put it on his head.

The helmet looks so so so out of place. They have to make an effort to find such weird device, let alone making one to begin with. There is gotta be a logical explanation for it...
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
It looks to me that the soldier is looking through the scope of his rifle, not the NVG.
The Problem is, That scope has the lens cap on. there is no evidence of a reflection off the lens or sign of a anti reflection device. instead it's clearly wearing a cover.
Well, if this is a doctrinal issue then it needs to be revamped; there are existing QBZ-95 versions with the carrying handle completely removed (the Canadian FTU modification and T-97NSR-A are two examples that spring to mind) but they are not widespread at all. In fact, even most of their special forces still use the traditional variants with iron sights.
This I agree with.
The Chinese have been supposedly training their troops to shoot only from the right, which inherently limits the effectiveness of naturally left-handed individuals.
I also Agree with this however I add the following that in Urban combat or having been hurt a Shooter may be forced to shoot off handed. as such Bullpups even those with the ability to change side have traditionally had this issue. There have been some that found work around solutions though the Steyr ACR prototypes, P90, F2000, Desert tech MCR, ST Kinetics BR18, A91 All eject forwards or downwards to prevent spent rounds from interfering with the shooter

QBZ-95-1 reportedly achieves 1.5 MOA at 500 meters, which is okay on paper,
Okay this is Wrong.
First For an infantry rifle 1.5 MOA at 500m is not okay, IT's all but unheard of. This is after all a Infantry rifle not a Sniper rifle. If you were building our infantry rifles to that you might as well phase out the QBU88 and put a scope on the 95-1 and use it as your DMR. I remember that the writer Timothy Yan pretty much called buckiss on that 1.5MOA @500 m claim in 2015. the QBZ95 gets about 2.5-3 MOA at 100 meters and 2.5 is very good for an infantry rifle.

but it could be improved merely by lengthening the barrel .......
This is Wrong very wrong.
Accuracy is not a product of barrel length, Velocity is a product of barrel length. Velocity can impart range.
Accuracy in a rifle is the ability to repeatedly hit a target. when we talk about MOA we are not talking about single shots but generally a grouping of shots. The proverbial "Ragged Hole" is the dreamed of sub MOA group where in all the successive shots have more or less hit the same spot and just made a bigger hole in the target.
Velocity is the product of the propellant burn of a bullet. that burn turns the propellant into gas which expands in the chamber bore and barrel pushing the projectile down the length. However as this happens the barrel and chamber of the weapon are absorbing some of that energy. they do so in 2 ways first using it to cycle the weapon. and second because the projectile and gasses are in the barrel, bore and chamber as well as inside the rifling of the barrel vibration.
Vibration is the Enemy of Accuracy.
Now consider a very long thin tube of material. If one end is braced the other tends to be a bit limp. The Shorter the tube though the less it bends. until it's fairly short when the tube is very stiff. This is because of the density of materials vs the weight spread across the length. now if energy is imparted into the tube the limp potion will move and flex.
This works for a barrel as well. The longer barrel has more weight one side is fixed by the Trunnion, the rest floats unless interfered with by other structures. As a bullet is fired the projectile goes down the length the barrel will wobble or vibrate. a Shorter barrel has less flex because of less material and as such is stiffer.
A longer barrel has more material to flex. unless that barrel is thickened or reinforced which makes the barrel denser and therefore stiffer.
If you look at what the US tried when it started moving to M16 based DMR's in the 2000's they replaced the stock barrel with a very stiff very thick barrel.
however remember that that is a Heavy barrel and the weapon gets heavier by it.

So a shorter barrel is "More" Accurate yet tends to lack range as the Round fired looses velocity. to make up for this you thicken the barrel to keep the same range yet make a stiffer barrel less prone to vibration, you also free float the barrel to reduce interference by other parts of the weapon. The Problem is of course Weight. The thicker barrel is heavier.
(another drawback of bullpup firearms).
The Advantage of the Bullpup configuration is that you can put a long barrel in a compact package. for example the British L85A2 rifle is 30 inches long yet has a barrel length of 20.4 inches. the US issued M4 Carbine is 29.75 inches with the stock retracted yet has a barrel length of 14.5 inches. so we have two weapons in the same caliber and almost identical lengths yet one being a bullpup has a substantially longer barrel. by the Way the QBZ951 has similar length of barrel and overall to the L85A2

but I suspect that having a good optical sight would aid in accuracy as well.
An Optical sighting system doesn't so much increase accuracy as allow the shooter to pick up the slack of lost accuracy.
Human shooters are inconsistent. there are in a way 2 forms of accuracy for shooters. Mechanical accuracy and practical accuracy. Most Rifles are capable of far more Mechanical accuracy, then practical accuracy. That is to say that if the Weapon was mounted to a machine rest with perfect ammo and conditions the weapon can get far better accuracy then Practical accuracy of an Infantryman in the field tired, hungry, dehydrated, Hot/cold covered in mud/dust, with an Adrenaline high.
What a Optic does is allow the shooter to simplify his shooting and make up for some of the human factors. regaining some of the mechanical accuracy.

But given the small caliber of the QBZ-95 and the reports of the rifle's low recoil, I definitely think that there is room to improve its RoF. While not a critical specification, the ability to put more rounds on target within a preset time can still increase the combat efficacy of troops. And the design is certainly capable of achieving higher RoF since the QBZ-95B has an alleged RoF of 800 rounds/min (still lower than the QBZ-03 though).
mechanical rate of fire is not necessarily putting rounds on target. "the ability to put more rounds on target within a preset time" is more a product of training and accurate semiautomatic fire not full auto. Full automatic fire is useful for 2 modes attacking a moving target but only if already on auto and close quarters. 800 RPM is about the norm for a modern infantry rifle. if you want faster then that it requires changes to the operation of the rifle, that can cause issues of reliability and service life. Also as a rule you want the weapon under control so that a new shooter who pulls the trigger doesn't empty the magazine in a second. remember these are feeding off a box magazine with 30 rounds and Mag dumps are faster then you think.
Otherwise what you are talking about is basically hyper burst. which is a short string of mechanically assisted fire higher then 1000 rounds per but in set string of rounds.
the problem is to get that level of rate of fire is a nightmare requiring a very complex machine.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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I think the Indian small arms tender is open to international vendors as well, so even if their Excalibur, MCIWS, Amogh, or INSAS upgrade doesn't work, they still have a variety of established companies to choose from.
First correct it is open to international for the final longer ranged out product however the MCIWS was canceled. The Indians are issuing Excalibur rifles but as an interim, The Excalibur is the Upgraded INSAS.
The Game plan today seems to be for a full battle rifle in 7.62x51mm.
Regarding multi-caliber rifles, I believe I read somewhere that the upgraded CS/LR17 (shown at the 2018 Police Exhibition) can switch between different cartridges on the battlefield as well, so I don't think this is inherently a fatal flaw with rifles. But again, the CS/LR17 seems to be the losing entry for the PLA small arms tender.
This has been tried but in practice it never happens. If you are a civilian shooter on a range that's one thing but in the Field it's a totally different story. For a Belt fed weapon with a quick change barrel all you are doing is pulling off the barrel and putting on a replacement. changing calibers requires stripping down bolts, having compatible magazines, changing barrels and then re zeroing for the new parts. This is why no national army or SOF actually do weapon changes like that on the fly. rather they do so at the unit armorer level.

My point was that whereas India has taken steps to replace its flawed rifles, the PLA seems to be content with equipping even her most elite troops with the standard-issue QBZ-95 with barely
Which shows the Confidence of the PLA in the QBZ95 series.
The Indian INSAS as a weapon was deeply flawed due to Quality control issues. requiring a replacement. The design was not fundamentally flawed as they are building basically improved models, but still suffers due to the magazines left from the INSAS first issue. as well as some degree of doctrinal obsolescence. The biggest driver for a replacement though seems to be the Indian Generals wanting of a "Man's Rifle".
If PLA Elite units do want to move to multicaliber They will push for it and can probubly get CS/LR 17 or some other weapons in the calibers of there choice 5.56x45mm or 7.62x39mm or 7.62x51mm or even try to get Norinco to make them 5.45x39mm
We have seen the occasional QC type Rifle in Chinese units hands before.
The QBZ95's issues were at first the fact it was rushed to service for the Hong Kong event. which is where the QBZ95-1 came in. and now mostly the PLA not moving to optics and accessories.
All of this has happened with other systems in fact I can't think of a single combat rifle that emerged fully formed with out a few years where they were working to fix issues. the AR15 became the M16 then the M16A1. then rebuilt to the M16A2 then modified onto the M16A4, CAR 15 started in Veitnam splintered off the AR15 it had about a dozen variants until the XM4 emerged and then that became the First iterations of the M4 and then M4A1 and more changes were made are being looked at being made.
The British SA80 series has a half dozen prototypes and 4 issued variations of improvements.
The AK series. YES THE Kalashnikov, The AK prototypes were introduced in 1946 it entered production in 49 but there were issues with manufacturing of these
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by switching to milling in 1951 in 1953 they created the AK47 type 3. They didn't get the rifle they wanted until 1959 with the AKM and they still had modifications to the line from sights to stocks to rails until the AK74 in 1974. even then there were still a massive number of verities of AKM patterns being designed.

So when I see people saying that The PLA "NEEDS" to replace the QBZ series, history proves that is not necessarily the case. These systems evolve. and when dealing with a national army it's easier to evolve the system then scrap and build.
 

by78

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Hard tanker helmets. This is only the second or third time I've seen them outside a military parade. Also note the tactical vests.

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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Hard tanker helmets. This is only the second or third time I've seen them outside a military parade. Also note the tactical vests.

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based on the number of people I would say a command vehicle.

Now Tanker helmets hard or soft is more a matter of what you are trying to do. Helmets for tank crew do 2 main jobs.
1) they are basically bump helmets. I mean just thinking of the number of times I pumped my head in a car.( And I am not a overly tall man.) Tanks are often operating in more off road conditions where bumps and impacts are more common add in all devices that make up the inside of a tank and it's man's perfect creation to crater a skull.
2) Communications gear and equipment is often mounted to it..

Now soft helmets vs hard comes more from time. Tank helmets are traditionally leather and have been since WW1 this was because of the limited material science. American tanker helmets though moved to plastic with leather in the interwar period adapting a Commercially available Football helmet.
Generally the Soviet style helmets were less about impacts and more about coms gear and keeping warm.

With the modern era more and more tanker helmets also add in some small arms protection to boot.
 

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based on the number of people I would say a command vehicle.

Now Tanker helmets hard or soft is more a matter of what you are trying to do. Helmets for tank crew do 2 main jobs.
1) they are basically bump helmets. I mean just thinking of the number of times I pumped my head in a car.( And I am not a overly tall man.) Tanks are often operating in more off road conditions where bumps and impacts are more common add in all devices that make up the inside of a tank and it's man's perfect creation to crater a skull.
2) Communications gear and equipment is often mounted to it..

Now soft helmets vs hard comes more from time. Tank helmets are traditionally leather and have been since WW1 this was because of the limited material science. American tanker helmets though moved to plastic with leather in the interwar period adapting a Commercially available Football helmet.
Generally the Soviet style helmets were less about impacts and more about coms gear and keeping warm.

With the modern era more and more tanker helmets also add in some small arms protection to boot.

Just to add onto what you said: Because modern-era armored vehicles have higher crew survival rates than previous ones, crews will potentially find themselves on an active battlefield. So, small arms protection like body armor is extremely important for crews to get back to friendlies in one piece. In this case, command vehicle crews must live so that the chain of command won't be broken.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Tank crews have always had a higher chance of survival then Infantry. I mean you are issued a weapon/armor system that offers far better protection then any bullet proof vest and far more firepower then any issued rifle or infantry MG.
 

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Tank crews have always had a higher chance of survival then Infantry. I mean you are issued a weapon/armor system that offers far better protection then any bullet proof vest and far more firepower then any issued rifle or infantry MG.
I just read my previous statement and it seems that mines was a bit jumbled. I meant to say that since modern tank crews have higher survival rates, kevlar is extremely important for them in order to get out of the battlefield in one piece.
 

plawolf

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The Problem is, That scope has the lens cap on. there is no evidence of a reflection off the lens or sign of a anti reflection device. instead it's clearly wearing a cover.

That scope is unusually bulky for an assault rifle. A daylight scope that size is overkill even for a DMR, and will normally only be expected to be mounted on a sniper rifle.

Which makes it unlikely to be a daylight scope, but rather a night vision scope.

That would tie in with the NODs.

To use a night vision scope out in broad daylight like that would require you to attach a special cap, which blocks all but a tiny pin hole of light to not trip the auto gate or fry your tubes.

My NOD has just such a cover, although I have not dared to use them out in daylight with or without the cap. But they do work just fine with the cap on in normal lighting conditions indoors.

Looks to me like they were doing specialist transition training to get the troops used to rapidly going from night fighting to broad daylight, and vice versa. Which, when you consider that they are marines, would not be that unusual, especially during boarding actions.

This might be something new they are adding after operational experiences during their anti piracy deployments. Which would also explain the strange helmet - most PLA standard issue ballistic helmets don’t have NVG mounts as standard like western combat helmets. So it looks like the quartermaster issued this guy with an aviation helmet with the mounts to take the NODs. Hell, the NODs might also be aviation gear and came with the helmet.
 
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