Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.

PanAsian · May 25, 2018

Insignius said:
They need more than gloves. They need individual radios and ear-protection for every single infantryman and a lot more ammo than the 4-5 magazines that they carry on the man.

At least they have the body armor now. But I guess it would take a few dozen dead PLA soldiers until the brass is willing to spend money on the PLA infantryman.

All the $$$ is going to the fancier bigger ticket items which hopefully deters anyone from picking a gunfight with these guys. Still, I would like to see them raise the bar with miscellaneous personal equipment if just to boost morale for the grunts.

Dfangsaur · May 25, 2018

plawolf said:
It’s simply unreasonable to compare the general issue gear of a nation at peace compared to others that are actively engaged in armed conflicts.

These were PLA troops (at a low priority backwater boarder region let’s not forget) who got pulled from barricks with maybe hours of notice to an emerging situation. So of course they are not going to be as well prepared as US troops who have been deployed to a foreign combat zone for combat operations that have lasted over a decade.

You just don’t spent that kind of money for operational consumables in peacetime. Even US forces would not be so well equipped without the hundreds of billions of extra operational funding they got for fighting those wars.

Even the US had massive logistical issues at the started of the invasion of Iraq. Ear protection, eye protection and top end combat gloves etc were not standard issue. Hell, a lot of US and allied troops spent their own money on things like that, and other items you guys seem to think the PLA should be issuing as standard, like optics, batteries and even body armour (definitely happened with the British, not sure about the Americans).

Besides, PLA troops deployed on foreign missions are all issued with eye protection, so maybe they also got hearing protection, but since that is hard to spot from photos, it’s a bit of a question mark.

I am sure had the boarder conflict turned hot, elite PLA reinforcements coming for to actually fight would have been far better equipped.

South Tibet has been a potential flashpoint for years though, the border troops stationed there aren't or at least shouldn't be low priority troops. And I doubt reinforcements will be any better equipped than this anyway (the best equipped ones are stationed in south eastern, north western and north eastern China).
It's true that when US went to war in Iraq, troops were missing some gears that were later found out to be essentials. However, at that time nobody knew what were essential for a modern war. We do know now and PLA should get on it ASAP. Seeing them under geared like that makes me worried is all I'm saying.

Yodello · May 26, 2018

Dfangsaur said:
South Tibet has been a potential flashpoint for years though, the border troops stationed there aren't or at least shouldn't be low priority troops. And I doubt reinforcements will be any better equipped than this anyway (the best equipped ones are stationed in south eastern, north western and north eastern China).
It's true that when US went to war in Iraq, troops were missing some gears that were later found out to be essentials. However, at that time nobody knew what were essential for a modern war. We do know now and PLA should get on it ASAP. Seeing them under geared like that makes me worried is all I'm saying.

Believe me, when I say, that the PLA Troops shown in the Video are much better-equipped than their Indian Counterparts with whom they are facing off. The overall Logistical capacity, weaponry and integrated systems of the PLA will be brought to force in the event of hostilities, and it will give the PLA the Upper-Hand in time of war. The Chinese side is very confident of beating the Indians, not over-confident, but confident in the knowledge that they are well-prepared for what they are assigned to do. Since the Doklam episode, the PLA has quetly strengthened their position even more viv-a-vis the Indians. The psychological factor is comprehensively in favour of the PLA in contrast to the Indian Army, and also as I mentioned above, the full spectrum and essential factors for winning a battle are in the PLA's favour. The Indian side knows this very well, and they will avoid letting a skirmish escalate to a battle at all cost.

Dfangsaur · May 26, 2018

L2SG said:
Hmmmmm . . . . .

Looks awesome, needs Z-20 to look indistinguishable from US troops

Dfangsaur · May 26, 2018

more from 2018 Beijing

This domestic company called COMBAT 2000 (great name lads), who apparently worked with Crye Precision last year.

apparently gray is the shit this year. Lots of vests

plawolf · May 26, 2018

Dfangsaur said:
South Tibet has been a potential flashpoint for years though, the border troops stationed there aren't or at least shouldn't be low priority troops. And I doubt reinforcements will be any better equipped than this anyway (the best equipped ones are stationed in south eastern, north western and north eastern China).
It's true that when US went to war in Iraq, troops were missing some gears that were later found out to be essentials. However, at that time nobody knew what were essential for a modern war. We do know now and PLA should get on it ASAP. Seeing them under geared like that makes me worried is all I'm saying.

The only gear truly essential is a gun and ammo. Everything else is an optional add on that is nice to have, but not having it won’t stop a soldier from fighting.

I would add gloves and other winter survival kit in this context because of the weather, but that’s about it.

Also, you really need to take context into consideration. These troops might be lacking some kit compared to US seals, but against their Indian counterparts, they have nothing to complain about. At least their main issue firearm is reliable and doesn’t have the same terrible reputation as what the Indian troops are issued with.

SinoSoldier · May 26, 2018

It's funny and yet disappointing to see the PLA gear up with the latest body armor & uniform but choose to forego upgrading their most essential tool - their firearms. It's about time that they replaced the derelict QBZ-95 design with a modernized QBZ-03 or even with the CS/LR17, and also obtained new sights for their rifles.

TerraN_EmpirE · May 26, 2018

Dfangsaur said:
more from 2018 Beijing

This domestic company called COMBAT 2000 (great name lads), who apparently worked with Crye Precision last year.

apparently gray is the shit this year. Lots of vests

This is Multicam Black a Variant of Multicam designed mostly for SWAT teams who for whatever reason don't want to roll in like Death troopers yet can't look like the Army... but want to.

jobjed · May 26, 2018

SinoSoldier said:
It's funny and yet disappointing to see the PLA gear up with the latest body armor & uniform but choose to forego upgrading their most essential tool - their firearms. It's about time that they replaced the derelict QBZ-95 design with a modernized QBZ-03 or even with the CS/LR17, and also obtained new sights for their rifles.

List the reasons why they should retire the QBZ-95.

Deleted member 13312 · May 26, 2018

jobjed said:
List the reasons why they should retire the QBZ-95.

Well one reason for it would be the ergonomics of the gun, simply put a bullpup design is not as easy for a newbie to master compared to a conventional design. This is due in large part to the positioning of the magazine which changes the center of gravity to the back of the rifle.
Another reason would be that a conventional rifle allows for designs like a fold-able stock, which makes it much easier to carry around on marches or in cramped spaces like an IFV.

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