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Baibar of Jalat

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Hope the Chinese leadership is taking note of the scare mongering coming out of India, particulary from the military leadership and politicians. To a lesser extent media.


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China bigger threat than Pakistan: India

NEW DELHI: India faces a greater threat from China than Pakistan because New Delhi knows little about Beijing’s combat capabilities, India’s air force chief told a newspaper in an interview published on Sunday.

The world’s two most populous nations fought a brief but brutal war over their 3,500 km (Himalayan border in 1962, and both sides claim the other is occupying big but largely uninhabited chunks of their territory.

India has also been pursuing closer relations with the United States, something that worries China.

China has a standing army almost three times the size of Pakistan’s, according to official figures and defence industry estimates, but it is the lack of knowledge about China’s military that concerned Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major.

‘We know very little about the actual capabilities of China, their combat edge or how professional their military is,’ Major told the Hindustan Times newspaper.

‘They are certainly a greater threat.’

Although India and China have signed a treaty to maintain ‘peace and tranquillity’ along their disputed frontier and agreed to find a political solution to the row, talks have hardly made progress even as their business ties boom.

India blames the lack of progress on China’s claim over the north-eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh, in particular over its Buddhist enclave of Tawang. New Delhi says it cannot part with populated areas to settle the border dispute.

Major said the Indian air force was upgrading about five airbases, of which two would operate Russian Su-30 MKI fighters.
 

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I wasn't sure where else to put this, but this is an article about the LCA (which doesn't exactly have to do with Army, but may be considered for Indian Navy so I hope it can fit into this discussion)
It's an article from UPI Asia, by Hari Sud:
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There are a few parts of it which is... going to push some buttons certainly poked a few of mine but what do you guys think of it?

(Hope it won't create too much discord)
 

Baibar of Jalat

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I wasn't sure where else to put this, but this is an article about the LCA (which doesn't exactly have to do with Army, but may be considered for Indian Navy so I hope it can fit into this discussion)
It's an article from UPI Asia, by Hari Sud:
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There are a few parts of it which is... going to push some buttons certainly poked a few of mine but what do you guys think of it?

(Hope it won't create too much discord)

Indian Air Chief admitted he does not have good intelligence about Chinese military capability and tactics but Indians still belittle Chinese weapons. They can dismiss Chinese weapons at their own cost.
 

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I wasn't sure where else to put this, but this is an article about the LCA (which doesn't exactly have to do with Army, but may be considered for Indian Navy so I hope it can fit into this discussion)
It's an article from UPI Asia, by Hari Sud:
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There are a few parts of it which is... going to push some buttons certainly poked a few of mine but what do you guys think of it?

(Hope it won't create too much discord)
Some points where I doubt this article:
- Original technology, Indian self made?? Despite using Israel and US parts.
- Highly capable Mig-21 in 21st century?
- Cost effective export? How they got Israel and US technology on them so alot of export countries will have embargo's. India doesn't have the authority to export them.
- Enemy cannot lock on their missle, cause aircraft uses composite materials??? What???
- Carriers the worlds best R-73, their is only one R-73.
- No export orders. Really so Pakistan orders dont count?


This guy sounds like an Indian military supporter, and China/Pakistan country hater.
 

Propagandalass

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I'm not saying all Indians are like this, but Indians on the internet are well known for their 'confidence' in such things.

The Indian army strives for self suffisciency, but fails at it bigtime. They have to import the scraps and snippets from other Countries' outlet sales.

The Indian army's own innovations look like this:

Light Combat Aircraft (LCA): This supposedly state-of-the art fighter jet is more than twelve years behind schedule, while R&D costs have nearly doubled. The LCA will not go into production until 2010, to be manufactured as a very low rate of around ten aircraft a year for 20 years; at that rate, the aircraft will be obsolete before the last one is delivered to the Indian Air Force (IAF).

Arjun Tank: The Arjun is still not yet operational 30 years after the program was initiated. The tank has a history of engine overheating, its excessive weight and width makes it too big for current tank transporters in the Indian Army (IA), and its rifled gun barrel means that it cannot fire anti-tank rockets. So far, the IA has committed to buying just 124 Arjuns.

INSAS assault rifle: At nearly ~400 USD apiece, the IA's standard assault rifle costs three times that of an imported AK-47.
I also think the money they invest on such things are probably better spent feeding the population rather than making a wannabe supertank. They played too much China in C&C Generals.
 

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I'm not saying all Indians are like this, but Indians on the internet are well known for their 'confidence' in such things.

The Indian army strives for self suffisciency, but fails at it bigtime. They have to import the scraps and snippets from other Countries' outlet sales.

The Indian army's own innovations look like this:


I also think the money they invest on such things are probably better spent feeding the population rather than making a wannabe supertank. They played too much China in C&C Generals.

Keep in mind that these are simply first attempts.It's the expertise and the infrastructure out of projects like the LCA and the Arjun that counts.
The Lca project is India's leap from marut to the 4th generation category.
India doesn't have a history of making supersonic aircraft there are bound to
be problems.The LCA will enable Indian scientists to work out the 'kinks' normally associated with making supersonic aircraft.The main problem of the LCA is it's low maneuverability due to it's underpowered engine which can be rectified by making modification to the airframe to accept bigger engines.

As for the Arjun last i heard the IA had raised the maiden regiment.with the engine problems worked out.I'm not sure but Arjun can fire the LAHAT missile which is good enough for it's tank killing role.

This is the wrong forum for starving populations.If India wants it can develop a 'super tank' because it simply has the money to do so.Feeding starving population isn't an issue to be discussed in a military forum
 

Baibar of Jalat

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I cant believe Chinese are not discussing this more. Moving more troops to disputed borders, usually gets people to take more notice.

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By Biswajyoti Das

GUWAHATI, India, June 8 (Reuters) - India will deploy thousands of additional troops and build airstrips along its remote northeastern border with China, in a sign of persisting wariness between the two countries despite growing business ties.

India and China fought a brief war over their 3,500 km (2,200 mile) Himalayan border in 1962, and both sides claim the other is occupying big but largely uninhabited chunks of their territory.

Although India and China have signed a treaty to maintain "peace and tranquility" along the disputed frontier and agreed to find a political solution to the row, talks have made little progress.

Last year, the army said Chinese soldiers had crossed the border in Arunachal Pradesh state illegally and entered their territory, urging the government to deploy more troops.

"Two army divisions comprising 25,000 to 30,000 soldiers each will be deployed along the border in Arunachal," said J.J. Singh, the governor of the remote state.

"It (deployment) was part of the planned augmentation of our capabilities to defend the country ... The increase in force strength is to meet the future national security challenge," Singh said in Itanagar, capital of Arunachal Pradesh.

Other than troops, India will add more firepower in the disputed zone with light 155mm guns, helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles to strengthen its defences, officials said. They will also build airstrips close to the border.

The state shares a disputed border with China more than 1,000 km (621 miles) long.

Last month, India's air force chief said the country faces a greater threat from China than Pakistan because New Delhi knows little about Beijing's combat capabilities. (Editing by Bappa Majumdar and Jerry Norton)

India's reason for increasing troops.
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Chinese incursions into Indian territory rose sharply in 2008
9 Jun 2009, 0442 hrs IST, Indrani Bagchi, TNN

NEW DELHI: Chinese incursions into Indian territory peaked in 2008, with 270 "violations" being recorded in the western, middle and eastern
sectors. In 2009, they appear to have let up a little on the aggression front, with a little over 60 violations occurring thus far. Chinese violations made headlines last year, signalling a belligerence that made India jittery.

With the first batch of advanced Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jets getting ready to be deployed in Tezpur and Chabua, Assam, India is slowly responding to the uncertainties of Chinese intentions, by enhancing its state of preparedness in the area. According to the former air force chief, Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major, India will deploy a full squadron of these fighter jets in the eastern sector.

Recent figures point to a sharp spike in border violations and aggressive patrolling by Chinese all along the undemarcated border with India since 2007. Aggressive patrolling by Chinese forces, particularly in the western sector, have resulted in 2,285 instances in 2008, as compared to 778 instances in 2007. Indian authorities have recorded 413 instances in 2009 so far.

The brunt of aggressive patrolling by the Chinese has been felt in Demchok, Koyul and Chushul areas in Ladakh. The western sector, i.e. Ladakh, has borne the maximum number of violations, though it's been the Chinese activity in Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim areas that have attracted greater attention. India has, in response, set up forward landing bases in Daulat Beg Oldi and Chushul in Ladakh.

Earlier this year, questioned on the repeated incursions, foreign secretary Shiv Shankar Menon had told journalists at a function in New Delhi that he did not think these were intended to change the status quo between India and China. "I do not see the kind of changes in the pattern that would suggest that either side is determined to change the status quo or something fundamental has changed for the worse.''

But it is China's apparently declared interest in southern Tibet and Tawang in the eastern sector that is of greater concern to India, particularly since they continue to press their claim over all of Arunachl Pradesh. In 2008, just the area in Kongra La Pass (what's popularly known as Finger Point) in north Sikkim recorded six violations.

In Arunachal Pradesh, the Asaphila area and Dichu/Madan Bridge were worst hit, recording violations even this year. But officials describe the area as by and large "stable". Questioned about repeated incursions by China, officials say it's a "regular" occurrence and generally downplay it. But security officials say Chinese troops became adventurous even during the recent election season in India, indulging in "aggressive patrolling" in sections of Arunachal Pradesh.

It is in response to these that India has now taken significant steps to beef up security here. Governor of Arunachal Pradesh, General JJ Singh, said on Saturday that two more army divisions will be deployed along the Sino-Indian border in Arunachal Pradesh within a few years.

"It is true that within a few years, two army divisions comprising 25,000 to 30,000 personnel each will be deployed along the Arunachal border as part of planned augmentation of our capabilities to defend the country," the former army chief was quoted as saying.

"Increase of force strength is to meet future national security challenges," he added. "Enhancement of quality of weapons, fighting platforms, intelligence gathering along with increased deployment of personnel and Sukhoi combat jets in nearby Tezpur base in Assam besides construction of border roads and other infrastructure are part of the plan to develop capabilities in a phased manner within the next few years to effectively meet challenges in the eastern theatre," the governor said.
 
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Baibar of Jalat

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The missiles have not been deployed yet and they are very short ranged. I expect there will be lengthy delays.

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India launches nuclear submarine
Manmohan Singh speaks during the launch ceremony of India"s first nuclear-powered submarine, INS Arihant at Vishakhapatnam in India, Sunday, July 26, 2009.


India has launched its first nuclear-powered submarine, becoming only the sixth country in the world to do so.

The 6,000 tonne Arihant was launched by India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh at a ceremony on the south-east coast.

It was built entirely in India with Russian assistance and a second one is due to be constructed shortly.

It will undergo trials over the next few years before being deployed and will be able to launch missiles at targets 700km (437 miles) away.

Until now, only the US, Russia, France, Britain and China had the capability to build nuclear submarines.

'China threat'

Launching the INS Arihant, Mr Singh said India had no aggressive designs on anyone.

Indian workers (L) paint the conning tower of the INS Kursura, on display as a part of the INS Kurusura Submarine Museum, at Rama Krishna Beach in Visakhapatnam, some 800 kilometers from Hyderabad, on July 25, 2009.


But the sea was becoming increasingly relevant to India's security concerns, he added.

"It is incumbent upon us to take all measures necessary to safeguard our country and to keep pace with technological advancements worldwide," he told the ceremony in the port city of Visakhapatnam.

The BBC's Sanjoy Majumder in Delhi says until now India has been able to launch ballistic missiles only from the air and from land.

Nuclear submarines will add a third dimension to its defence capability.

When it is eventually deployed, the top-secret Arihant will be able to carry 100 sailors on board.

It will be able to stay under water for long periods and thereby increase its chances of remaining undetected.

By contrast, India's ageing conventional diesel-powered submarines need to constantly surface to recharge their batteries.

Our correspondent says the launching of the Arihant is a clear sign that India is looking to blunt the threat from China which has a major naval presence in the region.
 

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India will organize a team of 200 female sex workers in the composition of "sex," Corps, stationed in Indian-controlled Kashmir region, to address local Indian army's "physical hunger and thirst." Indian analysts said the move is the progress of the Indian military leadership, which will promote the physical and mental health of military personnel in India.

According to Pakistan, "Daily Post" reported that the recruitment of female sex workers to service front-line areas, "sex service" option is 6 months were determined. Approval by the Indian army commander. As India stationed in Indian-controlled Kashmir, the soldiers morale, suicide events and the number of incidents have been shot and killed his comrades on the rise.

Military advisers, said the majority of soldiers are suffering the pain of sexual repression and anxiety. The consultants suggest that these soldiers should be returned to his home every month, and a family reunion. But the Indian's lack of transportation logistics capabilities, it is difficult to mobilize such a large-scale personnel frequently. As a result, an officer had been sent to Moscow learn. Moscow's suggestion is very straightforward, since the soldiers in remote areas are so eager sex life, then there should be provided to women to solve their sexual needs.

Indian army believes that the street directly into the border area of female sex workers is inappropriate, these sex workers should be recruited up to receive some military training and became Indian-controlled Kashmir, Indian forces, part of the composition, so that can be achieved by one man and their soldiers in order to build relationships.

India, senior officials of the border to defend the military to the media confirmed that there were 178 female soldiers were sent to Indian-controlled Kashmir, India-Pakistan border area. But he denied that they were "sex Corps."

above report from H.K newspaper < Singtao Daily>, if this news is real, that's interesting, I think U.S troops in Afghanistan should learn this methods.
 

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above report from H.K newspaper < Singtao Daily>, if this news is real, that's interesting, I think U.S troops in Afghanistan should learn this methods.
America is much too conservative today to allow this to happen. Now, in the aftermath of WWII it was different. My dad was on the occupation of Italy at the close of that war, and back then local prostitutes were identified and sent, at US taxpayer expense, to the US Army hospital in Naples for a check up during which they received a card certifying their health. They were then sent back to their homes to, um, work. One of my dad's jobs was to check the currency of these cards and, if expired, ship the errant sex worker back to Naples for a check up. Only the best for our troops, eh. :eek:
Imagine the red faces at committee hearings and the talk radio scream fest that would surely happen were that the case today in someplace like Afghanistan.
 
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