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What exactly constitutes a 6th generation fighter jet is yet to be precisely defined. Currently, the term "6th generation" is considered more of a conceptual term without a concrete definition
Rubbish!! Tejas MK-488 will be a well, precisely, concretely defined sixth generation fighter. It's size will be microscopic, incorporating "Ant Man" concept, only in this case it will be Ant-Aircraft.
 

Gloire_bb

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Rubbish!! Tejas MK-488 will be a well, precisely, concretely defined sixth generation fighter. It's size will be microscopic, incorporating "Ant Man" concept, only in this case it will be Ant-Aircraft.
Counting from prototypes:
Tejas TD(1 gen)
Tejas PV(2 gen)
Tejas LSP(3 gen)
Tejas Mk.1(4 gen)
Tejas Mk.1A(5 gen)
Tejas Mk.2(6 gen)

Technically, everything fits.
 

Jason_

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I would say the Tejas likely has an RCS smaller than that of the F-16. I think the F-16 is supposed to have like 1.2 sq meter RCS clean.
The Tejas is a smaller aircraft than the F-16 and is made of composites so it should have smaller RCS.
Being made of composites does not reduce RCS just like wearing transparent clothes does not make you invisible. If the composite is transparent to radar waves (like in a radome), the radar wave will bounce off the internal structures which tend to be much worse for greater RCS. If the composite is conductive, it behaves the same as metal. The only composite that reduce RCS are radar absorbant materials and there is no evidence to suggest that Tejas is covered in RAM.
 

gelgoog

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The single seater Sukhoi Su-57 wasn't originally started as a joint Russian-Indian project. That is bollocks. The Su-57 came out of the PAK FA Russian Air Force project and its T-50 series of prototypes. It never had any Indian funding. There was supposed to be a special variant of it for India. A dual seater aircraft project codename PAK FGFA. India was supposed to contribute money and software to that project. India made a small initial investment but then pulled out of it claiming the Russian technological base to make the aircraft wasn't mature enough and they didn't have enough workshare.

Anyway, the Indians only saw the initial version of the T-50 prototypes. Back when the AESA radar wasn't yet fully developed and it used a Su-35 cockpit and avionics. This was made because the initial prototype was meant to test the airframe and the flight control laws. Not the electronics. Since then it has got the AESA radar, more modern cockpit, and latest generation Russian avionics. Which are like a decade and a half more advanced than those in the Su-35.

And the Russians seemingly will develop a dual seater on their own anyway. They already published a patent on the airframe design.
 

Pataliputra

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The single seater Sukhoi Su-57 wasn't originally started as a joint Russian-Indian project. That is bollocks. The Su-57 came out of the PAK FA Russian Air Force project and its T-50 series of prototypes. It never had any Indian funding. There was supposed to be a special variant of it for India. A dual seater aircraft project codename PAK FGFA. India was supposed to contribute money and software to that project. India made a small initial investment but then pulled out of it claiming the Russian technological base to make the aircraft wasn't mature enough and they didn't have enough workshare.

Anyway, the Indians only saw the initial version of the T-50 prototypes. Back when the AESA radar wasn't yet fully developed and it used a Su-35 cockpit and avionics. This was made because the initial prototype was meant to test the airframe and the flight control laws. Not the electronics. Since then it has got the AESA radar, more modern cockpit, and latest generation Russian avionics. Which are like a decade and a half more advanced than those in the Su-35.

And the Russians seemingly will develop a dual seater on their own anyway. They already published a patent on the airframe design.
India is upgrading the Su30MKI by replacing Russian avionics with Indian components. While the mission computer was already Indian, the significant enhancement involves replacing the Russian PESA Radar with the domestically developed UTTAM AESA Radar. If the Su57 were a joint project between India and Russia, it could emerge as a formidable 5th generation fighter jet, rivaling aircraft like the F-35.
 

gelgoog

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The F-35 is a whole load of hype. That people fall for it is just telling of how the US MIC are great snake oil salesmen in the finest tradition.
It relies way too much on stealth and won't be effective against enemies with advanced radar. It's kinematic performance is lackluster.
After a decade in service it still has a 50% availability rate. And the electronics are already obsolete.
 

Gloire_bb

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India is upgrading the Su30MKI by replacing Russian avionics with Indian components. While the mission computer was already Indian, the significant enhancement involves replacing the Russian PESA Radar with the domestically developed UTTAM AESA Radar. If the Su57 were a joint project between India and Russia, it could emerge as a formidable 5th generation fighter jet, rivaling aircraft like the F-35.
It's nice to be optimistic and all that, but India hasn't yet produced a single working fighter radar of its own design; Uttam aims to become the first, but for now, it's a 100% Russian/French/Israeli export fest.

Badmouthing N036 from this position is pointless, it just won't be treated seriously.
 

phrozenflame

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The F-35 is a whole load of hype. That people fall for it is just telling of how the US MIC are great snake oil salesmen in the finest tradition.
It relies way too much on stealth and won't be effective against enemies with advanced radar. It's kinematic performance is lackluster.
After a decade in service it still has a 50% availability rate. And the electronics are already obsolete.
Obsolete compared to whome? The new blocks are getting upgraded radars and avionics by the way. And for $80-85m, thats quite a decent aircraft.
 

gelgoog

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Obsolete compared to the Su-57 and probably also the J-20.

I know the Su-57 has better electronics hardware than the F-35. And I doubt the J-20 is worse.
The Su-57 flight computer has way more compute power than the one in the F-35. The Su-57 radar covers the whole volume around the fighter much better than the one in the F-35 which is basically frontally oriented. The Su-57 has multiple radars including side radars.

I don't know why you people find that surprising. Those aircraft entered service way more recently. Of course their electronics are more advanced.

F-35 Block 4 is supposed to close the gap somewhat.

About the only electronics advantage the F-35 has, that I can think of, is the more advanced VR HMD unit. The Russians still hadn't put theirs into service last I read about it.
 
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