The price of one India-specific Rafale is $400 million USD, while an F35 costs just $90 million USD. Indian Air Force places significant trust in Rafales for specific reasons.
Indian Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
- Thread starter bd popeye
- Start date
The M88 core doesn't generate the wet trust. It's actually the whole M88 turbofan engine itself. But you're the expert in jet engines anyway, you should have already known what the difference is between a core and a entire turbofan engine. Please, enlighten us further.
Where did you get these figures for the Kaveri engine? I can't confirm these numbers myself on the internet. Nevermind, I trust you bro.
What did I just read?........
Any sane person would call that getting taken to the cleaners.
Well, what else can he say?
Unless there will be shooting, he gets away with it. But so did Indian MKIs before 2019, with weapon systems 1-2 generations behind the opponent. Until there was an incident.
The fact is, J-20 is a different level of capability, supported by much better force multipliers. And the overall situation is such that it forces political consequences, undermining India's original geographical superiority.
That's indeed a story of unprecedented success. The result is that India is left with 3 dozen Rafales for its first-class capability. Primary MKI fleet still hasn't started their upgrade(fighter isn't fine wine, 20+ years don't make it even better).
All of it together leaves the stating party at a qualitative parity with a much weaker Pakistan - and, adding insult to injury, effectively parries much larger former and concurrent Indian investment.
Against China, IAF for the foreseeable future can only maintain a [weak] defensive state, because the nature of the northern border limits the effect of GBAD(mountains) - even if PLAAF deploys only a limited amount of forces (qualitative suppression).
Given that these two opponents are likely to happen simultaneously, after many decades of qualitative superiority over both (India maintained at least a qualitive overmatch over both China and Pakistan since 1960s) - it's a magnificent result from a loved branch of Indian military.
No, not really.
To be relevant, FGFA should be nearing FOC service now.
Instead, it wasn't even revealed to the public - instead, its development is accompanied now by a significant spread of HAL resources onto other, parallel projects(Tejas mk.2; TEDBA). Now HAL added HLFT-42, which is a yet another fighter (spare me trainer bs, it doesn't even pretend to be simplified).
Certainly, two batches of Rafale asquisition also directly eat away from it and all the listed above.
French Air Force seats two sets of borders away from the nearest unfriendly country (Russia), against which can always expect to deploy with friends, the way it want; it isn't threatened in any way.
Last edited:
More like HAL pulled out of the FGFA project after getting duped billions of dollars by Sukhoi, just to have Su-57 being formally introduced into active service with the VVS merely a year afterwards.
Despite the difficulties and challenges of working with (underperforming) partners like Germany, the French is actually working on a 6th-gen fighter project as we speak.
In the meantime, the AMCA is not a 6th-gen fighter, no matter how much the IAF tries to sugarcoat AMCA as being one merely because AMCA will have "6th-gen technologies". So there's that.
Should that be the actual mentality held by the top brass of the Indian military, no wonder.
India never paid billions for the FGFA project. It was more like $295 million USD.
The FGFA was supposed to be a dual seater variant of the PAK FA designed specifically for India.
The dual seater variant of the Su-57 still hasn't entered service. They haven't even flown the prototype yet. We only have some patents describing it.
The Rafale is a bad deal. For that price India could have gotten like three Su-57 for the price of each of those Rafale. Even the current production Su-57, without the Megapolis upgrades, is a much superior aircraft to the Rafale.
The guy's living up to his name, BS Dhanoa.
AMCA FGFA is at a stage where it's 3d drawings arent approved, we're looking at 2045-2050 range.
Last edited:
Good. It's mentality like this that is more dangerous to India than it's enemies. Ignorance, hubris, incompetence, overconfidence, and stupidity. BS Dhanoa was the man in charge of the Indian Air Force when the Pakistani Air Force flew over and dropped bombs on Indian territory in broad daylight, shot down at least one Indian fighter jet, and India shooting down its own SAR helicopter.
Last edited:
it couldn't, comparing the internal fly-away price with the full contract price(for India of all places, i.e. with modifier basically) is wrong.
On top of that, Rafale is fully operational with IAF right now, as it's a fully mature platform.
Su-57 is only somewhere around IOC at its country of origin.