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Bellum_Romanum

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caudaceus said:
Wtf
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And the flag of what looks like that fake country called: East Turkestan.

India doesn't seem to appreciate the irony in what they're trying to accomplish here in pushing the red line with China.

The current Dalai Pedo Lama even said implicitly that Xizang/Tibet doesn’t seek separation from China and yet we have these highly irresponsible idiots pushing and goading the likes of Dalai Pedo Lama and his supporters to reconsider their position. For what? So they can become part of Jai Bharat?

India doesn't seem want to learn and is unwilling to admit their past transgressions that resulted in the 1962 border war with China. Instead of doing a much needed self-introspection, they ended up learning the wrong lesson by assigning the blame and fault exclusively to Nehru, their past general officers and worse of all remaining dismissive of China's PLA military edge that provided the ass whooping to their troops.

When one is high with your own delusions of grandeur you become delirious with moronium.
 
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phrozenflame said:
Delusions of grandeur meet reality: Tejas-MK-2 first flight now delayed again by ~`4-5 years. India's most ambitious 4th gen fighter will likely enter service now in 2035-2040 period, by that time, China will be inducting 6th gen fighters. The gap is increasing instead of decreasing!
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Bbbbbut what about China's tank quality and overall quality of their military equipments? According to this one video and comments from clowns, I mean geniuses of Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, Quora etc..the reasons why China can make/build many of their military equipment quickly relative to their competitors like India is due to their subpar workmanship and tofu like quality. At least with Indian build, it may take longer than expected, and more expensive than anticipated is first and foremost due to the QUALITATIVE AND EXCELLENT CRAFTMANSHIP of their programs. Let's not even mention the alien like quality of American made military equipments. Their quality is so ridiculously high, it's priced at a galactic level that China can only wish to have.

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Bellum_Romanum said:
Bbbbbut what about China's tank quality and overall quality of their military equipments? According to this one video and comments from clowns, I mean geniuses of Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, Quora etc..the reasons why China can make/build many of their military equipment quickly relative to their competitors like India is due to their subpar workmanship and tofu like quality. At least with Indian build, it may take longer than expected, and more expensive than anticipated is first and foremost due to the QUALITATIVE AND EXCELLENT CRAFTMANSHIP of their programs. Let's not even mention the alien like quality of American made military equipments. Their quality is so ridiculously high, it's priced at a galactic level that China can only wish to have.

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You're absolutely right. US military technology is without doubt the very best in the world, by a large margin. Chinese military technology - which they stole from the US - sucks.
 
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pevade

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Bellum_Romanum said:
Bbbbbut what about China's tank quality and overall quality of their military equipments? According to this one video and comments from clowns, I mean geniuses of Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, Quora etc..the reasons why China can make/build many of their military equipment quickly relative to their competitors like India is due to their subpar workmanship and tofu like quality. At least with Indian build, it may take longer than expected, and more expensive than anticipated is first and foremost due to the QUALITATIVE AND EXCELLENT CRAFTMANSHIP of their programs. Let's not even mention the alien like quality of American made military equipments. Their quality is so ridiculously high, it's priced at a galactic level that China can only wish to have.

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They cannot even claim quality or craftsmanship lol.
aahyan said:
Tejas in some close-ups.... :oops:

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Pataliputra

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phrozenflame said:
Delusions of grandeur meet reality: Tejas-MK-2 first flight now delayed again by ~`4-5 years. India's most ambitious 4th gen fighter will likely enter service now in 2035-2040 period, by that time, China will be inducting 6th gen fighters. The gap is increasing instead of decreasing!
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during the Trump administration, the USA agreed to transfer 80% of the technology related to the GE F414 engines to India after a decade of challenging negotiations. However, with the Biden administration now in power, there's a reassessment of this agreement. India has also initiated negotiations with France to collaborate on the co-development of an engine and enhance the domestically produced Kaveri engine.
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phrozenflame said:
Delusions of grandeur meet reality: Tejas-MK-2 first flight now delayed again by ~`4-5 years. India's most ambitious 4th gen fighter will likely enter service now in 2035-2040 period, by that time, China will be inducting 6th gen fighters. The gap is increasing instead of decreasing!
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I can't find an official source for the new schedule outlined in this article, but a further delay to LCA Mk. 2 is unsurprising, and indeed I predicted as much earlier this year after rumours of further Mk. 1A orders had begun to circulate. These rumours recently fructified with orders placed for a further 97 Mk. 1As on top of the 83 previously sanctioned. After all, there would be no need for more Mk. 1As if Mk. 2 was going to be entering service circa 2030.

The appropriate context for this news is that delays in development and testing of Mk. 2 will be backstopped by further Mk. 1A production. The first Mk. 1As are intended to be delivered to the IAF within months. As such, successful induction of Mk. 1A and ramping up of production rate over the next couple of years are what is important in the near-term.
 
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Lethe said:
I can't find an official source for the new schedule outlined in this article, but a further delay to LCA Mk. 2 is unsurprising, and indeed I predicted as much earlier this year after rumours of further Mk. 1A orders had begun to circulate. These rumours recently fructified with orders placed for a further 97 Mk. 1As on top of the 83 previously sanctioned. After all, there would be no need for more Mk. 1As if Mk. 2 was going to be entering service circa 2030.

The appropriate context for this news is that delays in development and testing of Mk. 2 will be backstopped by further Mk. 1A production. The first Mk. 1As are intended to be delivered within months. As such, successful induction of Mk. 1A and ramping up of production rate over the next couple of years are what is important in the near-term.
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The Tejas MK1A isn't facing delays as the GE F404 engines have been delivered. However, the GE F414 engine's delivery is held up, possibly due to strained Indo US relations. The USA has accused India of meddling in their internal affairs, which might contribute to the delay. Despite this, India seems to have a contingency plan in place. There are negotiations with France for co-developing an engine. Although Tejas MK2 might face delays, it's unlikely to be abandoned since fourth-generation fighter jets are expected to remain in service for the next 60 years.
 
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Pataliputra said:
The Tejas MK1A isn't facing delays as the GE F404 engines have been delivered. However, the GE F414 engine's delivery is held up, possibly due to strained Indo US relations. The USA has accused India of meddling in their internal affairs, which might contribute to the delay. Despite this, India seems to have a contingency plan in place. There are negotiations with France for co-developing an engine. Although Tejas MK2 might face delays, it's unlikely to be abandoned since fourth-generation fighter jets are expected to remain in service for the next 60 years.
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I have previously put forward my view that India is foolish to rely on F414 for LCA Mk. 2, AMCA, and TEDBF. Really, it is foolish to rely on any single vendor, but amongst vendor nations there are those with an established track record of imposing sanctions on India that derail sensitive projects (US, UK, Germany) and those that do not have such a record (Russia, France). Knowing that engine technology is a critical bottleneck, India's aerospace projects should have been designed around very conservative engine performance parameters that could have been met with Kaveri or by any number of superseded foreign designs that would've been much more amenable to technology transfer, as with the Rolls Royce Spey engine for China's JH-7. Having discussions with France in 2023 is better than not having such discussions, but it is a hollow mockery of the kinds of contingency plans that should have been pursued since the 1990s. That USA has any leverage at all in this matter is a damning indictment on the processes that have led to this point.
 
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Pataliputra

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Lethe said:
I have previously put forward my view that India is foolish to rely on F414 for LCA Mk. 2, AMCA, and TEDBF. Really, it is foolish to rely on any single vendor, but amongst vendor nations there are those with an established track record of imposing sanctions on India that derail sensitive projects (US, UK, Germany) and those that do not have such a record (Russia, France). Knowing that engine technology is a critical bottleneck, India's aerospace projects should have been designed around very conservative engine performance parameters that could have been met with Kaveri or by any number of superseded foreign designs that would've been much more amenable to technology transfer, as with the Rolls Royce Spey engine for China's JH-7. Having discussions with France in 2023 is better than not having such discussions, but it is a hollow mockery of the kinds of contingency plans that should have been pursued since the 1990s. That USA has any leverage at all in this matter is a damning indictment on the processes that have led to this point.
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The benchmark set for the Kaveri engine was exceptionally high, to the extent that even the US would face challenges in creating such an engine. It was designed to produce 90KN thrust within a compact size while maintaining a lightweight build, a goal established back in 1980. In comparison, the present GE F404 engine installed in Tejas generates only 80KN thrust, and the French M88 produces 73KN thrust, but these engines are relatively lighter than the Kaveri.
The strategy aimed to obtain sufficient engines and spare parts to support operations for the upcoming decade, even amidst severe American sanctions. Simultaneously, the plan included the development of the Indigenous Kaveri or an alternative engine during this duration. This strategy appears effective for Tejas MK1A, but uncertainties loom over Tejas MK2.
 
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