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Bellum_Romanum

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Same thing as what we eventually learned. There were casualties from the PLA side, Indians completed routed and started fleeing in all directions, so many captives that they ran out of food serving dinner for everyone. Stuff like that.

Funniest part is when he talked about how the Indians always complained that 1962 is so traumatic but after China’s relative inaction during Doklam, they won their confidence back. Now the Indians are traumatized again. It appears that being traumatized is better for the Indians.
I googled what General, now Professor Jin looks like
I'm surprised there's been more talk about the Galwan withdrawal agreement. India agrees to vacate PP15, PP16

It looks like Modi has agreed to all Chinese points.

I'm even more surprised that Indian media seem to be generally reporting it as an Indian loss of territory. What happened to the Indian position things were fine because their perception of the LAC hadn't changed....

These dumb dumb media personalities are really f.. morons that they are asking their country’s leadership to commit suicide by being a thorn to China's side, and somehow fully envelope themselves to the western strategic aim of containing China in all aspects and join them on the Taiwan issue.
 

siegecrossbow

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I googled what General, now Professor Jin looks like

These dumb dumb media personalities are really f.. morons that they are asking their country’s leadership to commit suicide by being a thorn to China's side, and somehow fully envelope themselves to the western strategic aim of containing China in all aspects and join them on the Taiwan issue.
Jin Canrong looks nothing like Jin Yinan. I think you may have them confused.
 

Abominable

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Any truth to the rumours that there's been a hack of multiple Indian defence sites? It was posted on twitter yesterday but all mentions of it seem to have been scrubbed.
 

ougoah

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I'm surprised there's been more talk about the Galwan withdrawal agreement. India agrees to vacate PP15, PP16

It looks like Modi has agreed to all Chinese points.

I'm even more surprised that Indian media seem to be generally reporting it as an Indian loss of territory. What happened to the Indian position things were fine because their perception of the LAC hadn't changed....


Because previously we were not sure (ie those on top of this and observing the ladakh dispute) of the specific nature of those buffer zones. These newly agreed buffer zones were only known to cover three areas with the status of the remaining disputed sections not made clear to watchers.
 

ougoah

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I googled what General, now Professor Jin looks like

These dumb dumb media personalities are really f.. morons that they are asking their country’s leadership to commit suicide by being a thorn to China's side, and somehow fully envelope themselves to the western strategic aim of containing China in all aspects and join them on the Taiwan issue.

It appears Modi has not thrown himself and his nation into the path of China at the behest of the Western empire. This is a good thing.

Folks like Swamy and provocateurs in India are constantly doing what they can to seed and provoke conflict between India and China. This Ladakh crisis hopefully has been thoroughly defused until a proper demarcation can be settled in the future. The issue with China is it continues to kick the demarcation can further down the road. Okay sure that makes sense. China has so much potential to realise still and avoiding large scale conflict allows it to realise those potentials far sooner and smoother than otherwise.

It is still a bit of a disappointment that despite having been able to defuse this situation (brought about by a combination of western prodding/encouragement and certain Indian forces acting on the behest of said empire) and establish buffers inside previously Indian occupied positions, the conflict can be flared up by India and only resolved after demarcation won AND ensuring China stays ahead of India until India has shaken off those western shackles properly and absolutely. Even then, neither powers are exactly guaranteed to be free of ambition and poor leadership for the foreseeable future where humans are still going to be playing this nation vs nation game.
 

twineedle

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Rough depiction of buffer. About 5 km on both sides of the lac. In this area both India and China have the same perception of the lac.

Also worth noting that China had already dismantled the post it created on the Indian side of the lac a year ago.

 

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Bellum_Romanum

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Indian Air Force retired Air Vice-Marshal not going along with the Indian media narrative that Tejas as a platform is ready for service let alone the much touted and yet again hyped Tejas Mk II when according to the Vice-Marshal Tejas MK I isn't even ready or full in service. The officers went on to emphasize the reality to his fellow Indians that no countries that has the fighter engine proprietary technology WILL HAND IT TO THE INDIANS BLINDLY.

 

beijing_bandar

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This Ladakh crisis hopefully has been thoroughly defused until a proper demarcation can be settled in the future. The issue with China is it continues to kick the demarcation can further down the road.
It was a good idea to defuse the situation in Eastern Ladakh because it is a huge distraction to deploy tens of thousands of men through the winter in high mountains. However, India maintains a hostile posture even if there was a pull back from specific flash points in Eastern Ladakh. In my view, any confrontation should be shifted from Eastern Ladakh to the Indian Ocean. More activity in the Indian Ocean by PLAN forces India to spend more heavily on the Indian Navy, depriving the Indian Army of funds for capital expenditure. It is more likely in my view of conflict in the high mountains than the Indian Ocean so it will be a net benefit to see the Indian Army less well equipped due to budget diversion to the Indian Navy.
 

ougoah

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It was a good idea to defuse the situation in Eastern Ladakh because it is a huge distraction to deploy tens of thousands of men through the winter in high mountains. However, India maintains a hostile posture even if there was a pull back from specific flash points in Eastern Ladakh. In my view, any confrontation should be shifted from Eastern Ladakh to the Indian Ocean. More activity in the Indian Ocean by PLAN forces India to spend more heavily on the Indian Navy, depriving the Indian Army of funds for capital expenditure. It is more likely in my view of conflict in the high mountains than the Indian Ocean so it will be a net benefit to see the Indian Army less well equipped due to budget diversion to the Indian Navy.

Indeed they do continue holding an aggressive posture here despite buffer zones being established and what seems like mutual desire to not escalate this conflict.

The main thing keeping the Indians at bay is the terrain. They simply cannot easily establish supply chains up 1000m+ of altitude from their core military positions. There is no way for Indians to easily mobilise AND perform a large scale invasion. The few camps and patrolling ground forces the Indians keep outnumber the PLA 10:1 if not more BEFORE this incident (aka India's attempt to take some no man's land while China appeared to be buckling with Covid in early 2020). Now it's a bit more even BUT the both sides keep some very token units around and certainly not enough to perform any serious invasion. India has supposedly reinforced the back end of this (before major climb in altitude) by hundreds of thousands of men, enough for serious invasion but India simply cannot maintain supply chains for such an invasion. Not the US nor China could realistically maintain such a demanding supply chain to go up thousands of metres. The energy cost is simply unrealistic.

Therefore I agree that defusing and not demarcating is still acceptable for China especially since it managed to establish (aka get India to agree to) buffer zones that are far more in favour of China's previous positions and current positions ie China took two steps forward and one step back while India took one step forward (initial incursion to take some parts of previous no man's land) and two steps back. However the solution is still demarcation. If India turns around in future, it's not even outrageous to simply give India no man's land stretch and demarcate along China's 1950s to 1990s offer. India would need to accept that they cannot get Aksai Chin though. That is a definitely line of no compromise, the rest, China always seemed to be happy to compromise since it OFFERED to many times in the past at the refusal of India.

Pivoting the conflict to Indian Ocean is a distraction of resources from a far superior and aggressive adversary - USA. The Indians talk lots, do little, the Americans talk little (on how awesome they are, how they should go to war and do this and that etc like Indians brag) and do more.

China has the world's greatest great wall separating itself from India, the Himalayan ranges around south western Tibet honestly make Indian ground force invasion a suicidal mission for India. Naturally the conflict is already in Indian Ocean. India in wartime would try to block Malacca Strait. PLAN probably wouldn't send surface fleets to untangle Indian navy but sink them from the mainland with DF-26, DF-100, and various long range HGV missile (cruise or gliding, China's got them all) to sink those capital ships. PLARF would only require to shoot off a few and sink a few capital ships of IN and the message is sent, unlock the strait and do not hassle Chinese ships. Gwadar port and pipelines earn China other routes towards energy exporters.

Indian naval AD is pathetically bad. Easily the worst. One AD system only with a relatively outdated and low power multifunction naval AESA - mfstar. It's roughly first generation Type 346 but with less than half the T/R and slightly less power. The AD missile is a medium range, low speed, low energy missile. Intercepting conventional anti ship missiles is indeed it's main purpose and where it is strongest due to having relatively low energy and speed. Not great against high energy aircraft like fighters and absolutely useless against hypersonic glide and MaRV type weapons... basically anything that moves around even a bit and requires the interceptor to move towards an updated interception point hence draining its already 30% lower energy compared to missiles like HQ-9 (much less energy than this) or HQ-16 or 5-5-5 (much less energy than this one).
 
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