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Aval said:

Can you provide sources/links and hard data to support your belief that India is destined for mass starvation and disintegration?

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Data can be interpreted in both ways. There are many of those you can find yourself. Starvation is already a massive problem there.
However, i have a different view on this matter when people talks about China vs India's past vs future rising path.

If you go back to 1950, China & India had almost same median age. Now China is older than India, the problem is , India is not exactly as young as Nigeria, and that has a massive implication people seem to either ignore or don't understand.

With China's economic rise, China had simultaneously taken effort to modernize their education system, which is not immigration based. The result is, now China has , quite possibly,one of few best bunch of brains among all nations. Which means China can power it's modernization in it's own terms, supported by it's economy & education system. But to come to this point, you had to be prepared from 1950, making best & bright talents is long, really long process, which starts from basic schooling. Even harder is to retain those.

You come to India, india's median age is now 27, i don't think there are as many as school going children are there as they had in 2000, they have the working age population, but they don't exactly lead to scientific innovation. Another problem is, India's meager scientific achievement isn't quite spread out, it's concentrated mostly in southern india which are mostly amongst the most "advanced" & the older, compared to other one is north who are younger, but illiterate with more interested in religious riot.

And india is never going to be destination for world's best brains, i think we can agree on that. And all of the above discussion, assuming that india can ever reach it's full economic potential , with proportional to much vaunted demographic dividends.

But again, that's subjected to debate, because indians were much younger in 2000 when they had median age of 20, if they couldn't clock double digit then, what makes you think they can do it now?

That means, given the racial & religious divide, which is severe than that is of America, will lead to disintegration, i will give it 2 decade at most.

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Aval said:

Many people once said the same of China. The only difference being that China had a national policy of "keeping low while we build our strength", which perhaps bought China an extra decade of unmolested growth. China's success at hiding its development and the West's ignorance together resulted in the situation today. It would be ironic if China was likewise blindsided by a rising India perhaps a few decades down the line.

Can you provide sources/links and hard data to support your belief that India is destined for mass starvation and disintegration?

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The fact that the government wastes billions on pointless vanity military projects and space programmes while it's people are starving and can't poo in the loo?

It's a cultural factor. Indians value the life of a cow more than they do their own people. While I think colonialism was bad, India was one of the few places in the world that actually benefitted from it. The British outlawed barbaric practices (or at least tried to) and built institutions which you have run into the ground. India today is undergoing a slow reversion to animism.

Bellum_Romanum said:

Indian Army conducted a bridging exercise in Ladakh called "Bridging Challenges: No Terrain nor altitude insurmountable." Understandably, many citizens of India are rightfully proud of their Army calling the best in the world.

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by78 said:

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Lol @siegecrossbow this example wasn't needed because most of us on this forum knows that PLA examples would embarrassed what the IA has shown and been proudly boasted by that country's people (which is understandable and laudable). But dang, look at the difference between what the IA did and the PLA. Literally night and day.

Self-propelled pontoon bridge -

Aval said:

Many people once said the same of China. The only difference being that China had a national policy of "keeping low while we build our strength", which perhaps bought China an extra decade of unmolested growth. China's success at hiding its development and the West's ignorance together resulted in the situation today. It would be ironic if China was likewise blindsided by a rising India perhaps a few decades down the line.

Can you provide sources/links and hard data to support your belief that India is destined for mass starvation and disintegration?

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I don't mean to speak on that poster's behalf but what he expressed has been echoed and stated long ago by this Indian person who shares most if not even worst appraisal of India as a whole. I don't necessarily subscribe to everything Jayant Bhandari expressed on this video, but it at least gives you a glimpse and rationale as to why he arrived at such an opinion.

Abominable said:

The fact that the government wastes billions on pointless vanity military projects and space programmes while it's people are starving and can't poo in the loo?

It's a cultural factor. Indians value the life of a cow more than they do their own people. While I think colonialism was bad, India was one of the few places in the world that actually benefitted from it. The British outlawed barbaric practices (or at least tried to) and built institutions which you have run into the ground. India today is undergoing a slow reversion to animism.

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Extraordinary claims require supporting evidence or data, we can't simply say X, Y, Z, about a said country even if it's against India without providing a modicum of objective data backing up claims made.

I don't like reading stuff that's clearly jaundiced and worst of all data that are cherry picked against China nor should we emulate those cretins we despised and mock with respect to discussing India and it's supposed Achilles heels.

Bellum_Romanum said:

Lol @siegecrossbow this example wasn't needed because most of us on this forum knows that PLA examples would embarrassed what the IA has shown and been proudly boasted by that country's people (which is understandable and laudable). But dang, look at the difference between what the IA did and the PLA. Literally night and day.

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Um, the real trick is to do it very rapidly under intense air and artillery attack. A lot easier said than done, as the Russian army found out a month or two back.

Maikeru said:

Um, the real trick is to do it very rapidly under intense air and artillery attack. A lot easier said than done, as the Russian army found out a month or two back.

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Of course that's always the caveat or conditions to gauge any country's military capabilities including logistics. But the comparison being made between IA and the PLA isn't exactly under different conditions; these recent exercises were done under relatively peaceful conditions and the stark contrast is clear as night and day, unless you have a different opinion.