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weig2000

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They’ve ditched it for manned lunar landing.

You mean, like the $5 trillion economy by 2024 goal set by Modi, now replaced by $10 trillion by 2030?

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The new goal from New Delhi:

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Only a slight delay from 2014 to 2015, but now a more ambitious new pie-in-sky by 2030. Can't beat India for its dogmatism and self-confidence.
 

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Something to do with the F-35C crash news, but not worthy to be in that thread. This is a piece of pure copium by the Indian press. It gets funnier the longer I read it.

With only 10 years of naval aviation under its belt, China has a lot to learn from US Navy and Indian Navy.
1) Learn from the US Navy? Yes I agree. Plenty to learn from there.
2) Learn from the Indian Navy? You gotta be kidding me! Using farming tractors to push planes on the deck of INS Viraat? Over-spending on a compromised STOBAR carrier, INS Vikramatditya? 13 years, and counting to build and commission the INS Vikrant? No thanks. China is better off just learning from the US Navy.

While the Chinese media may pass caustic comments on US aircraft carrier operations, fact is that fighter accidents onboard aircraft carriers are part and parcel of flight operations. The cold facts are that US Navy has been operating aircraft carriers for 100 years with some 70-odd carriers serving the nation and another three under construction.
Yes the US had been operating aircraft carriers for 100 years. But you don't need 100 years to learn about aircraft carrier operations. China does not need to learn too much from US WWII carrier operations. China needs to learn from US carrier operations in the last 20 years. Plus, China is learning fast. It has already started using EMALS catapults for their next aircraft carrier that is under-construction. Only the 2nd nation on Earth to do so. While India is still struggling to finish INS Vikrant, a ski-jump aircraft carrier.

Many an armchair analysts have argued that carrier-based aviation is prohibitively expensive and outdated due to existence of long distance ballistic missiles. They recommend that shore-based fighters could do the same job as the carrier with mid-air refueling option giving the much-needed operational range. However, the Indian Navy found that the shore-based fighter pilots of the Indian Air Force found themselves disoriented on high seas without land in sight and used as a reference point.
LOL! I'm sorry? What? Indian Air Force pilots gets disoriented on the high seas without a land reference point? What, is this? 1942? No other professional fighter pilots today are complaining about getting lost at sea. The Pakistani Air Force does have naval strike doctrine. Do they get lost at sea during an exercise? Besides, do you really need an aircraft carrier to navigate your aircraft at sea?

The Chinese military and propaganda media have often passed judgements on Indian military prowess without realising that India has been operating aircraft carriers since 1961 and has an amazing record of maritime aviation including 1971 blockading of Karachi harbour.
It does not matter what India did to Pakistan in 1971. China is not 1971 Pakistan.

While India has already decommissioned two of its aircraft carriers, the PLA Navy carrier operation is still to be born.
PLA aircraft carrier operations was already born. It is not still to be born. India just cannot accept that China will be overtaking India in aircraft carrier capabilities. China will be having an EMALS-capable aircraft carrier in a few years time. Chinese aircraft carriers right now have far more indigenous components in their construction than all of India's aircraft carriers combined.

While the Chinese have successfully copied the Russian Su-33 carrier-based aircraft to stand its own J-15 line, the naval aviation cannot be copied, and the only option is training the fighter pilots on high seas and pitch-black darkness. Fact is that Chinese naval aviation has at least a decade to go before it starts to acquire long sea legs.
Haven't they've been watching the news? The PLAN had done all that. Including night operations. You don't need 50 years to figure out aircraft carrier operations in clear days, rough seas, storms, and night. Only India needs that amount of time.

Even though China has deployed long range ballistic missiles on its eastern seaboard to deter US carriers, the flat-top vessels have remarkable survival capabilities with the strike group defended by nuclear powered submarines with intercontinental range ballistic missiles and destroyers armed with long range cruise missiles. Since the carrier is constantly on the move, it is not only difficult to target the vessel and at the same time exposing the fixed missile sites to a lethal counter.
Nobody has ever tested the survivability of their aircraft carriers against Chinese AshBM. India is welcomed to be the first to volunteer. Besides, why is India developing Agni-P, if AshBMs are such a bad idea?

Chinese AshBM have been tested a several times already. Haven't you seen those moving mock aircraft carrier targets in the Gobi Desert? PLARF have clearly been testing their missiles on moving targets. Then, who says about fixed missile sites? DF-21Ds and DF-26s are TEL launched. TELs are a lot harder to find than aircraft carriers.

The world may be threatened by an aggressive PLA and ever growing war making arsenal of China, but one must remember that the Communist China has only fought a border skirmish with India in 1962 and was taken to task by miniscule Vietnam in 1979. Projecting power on turbulent seas far way from home is a different ball game.
China fought a border war with Indian in 1962. India was defeated, and humiliated. If India had won, the Indians would have reported it as the greatest war victory in the history of mankind. Vietnam gave the PLA a good fight, but the PLA was not defeated. At least Vietnam can give China a good fight. India in all its glorious might, can't even match miniscule Vietnam in giving the PLA a good fight. That is not something to be proud of.

China has no plans to use aircraft carriers for power projection. Unless India forces China to do so. India does not have good memories of fighting with China. So stop provoking China into a conflict. Stop threatening to block the Malacca Straits. Stop trying to grab Chinese territories. Stop playing with Tibet. Stop sponsoring terrorists to sabotage the BRI and kill Chinese nationals.
 

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Something to do with the F-35C crash news, but not worthy to be in that thread. This is a piece of pure copium by the Indian press. It gets funnier the longer I read it.


1) Learn from the US Navy? Yes I agree. Plenty to learn from there.
2) Learn from the Indian Navy? You gotta be kidding me! Using farming tractors to push planes on the deck of INS Viraat? Over-spending on a compromised STOBAR carrier, INS Vikramatditya? 13 years, and counting to build and commission the INS Vikrant? No thanks. China is better off just learning from the US Navy.


Yes the US had been operating aircraft carriers for 100 years. But you don't need 100 years to learn about aircraft carrier operations. China does not need to learn too much from US WWII carrier operations. China needs to learn from US carrier operations in the last 20 years. Plus, China is learning fast. It has already started using EMALS catapults for their next aircraft carrier that is under-construction. Only the 2nd nation on Earth to do so. While India is still struggling to finish INS Vikrant, a ski-jump aircraft carrier.


LOL! I'm sorry? What? Indian Air Force pilots gets disoriented on the high seas without a land reference point? What, is this? 1942? No other professional fighter pilots today are complaining about getting lost at sea. The Pakistani Air Force does have naval strike doctrine. Do they get lost at sea during an exercise? Besides, do you really need an aircraft carrier to navigate your aircraft at sea?


It does not matter what India did to Pakistan in 1971. China is not 1971 Pakistan.


PLA aircraft carrier operations was already born. It is not still to be born. India just cannot accept that China will be overtaking India in aircraft carrier capabilities. China will be having an EMALS-capable aircraft carrier in a few years time. Chinese aircraft carriers right now have far more indigenous components in their construction than all of India's aircraft carriers combined.


Haven't they've been watching the news? The PLAN had done all that. Including night operations. You don't need 50 years to figure out aircraft carrier operations in clear days, rough seas, storms, and night. Only India needs that amount of time.


Nobody has ever tested the survivability of their aircraft carriers against Chinese AshBM. India is welcomed to be the first to volunteer. Besides, why is India developing Agni-P, if AshBMs are such a bad idea?

Chinese AshBM have been tested a several times already. Haven't you seen those moving mock aircraft carrier targets in the Gobi Desert? PLARF have clearly been testing their missiles on moving targets. Then, who says about fixed missile sites? DF-21Ds and DF-26s are TEL launched. TELs are a lot harder to find than aircraft carriers.


China fought a border war with Indian in 1962. India was defeated, and humiliated. If India had won, the Indians would have reported it as the greatest war victory in the history of mankind. Vietnam gave the PLA a good fight, but the PLA was not defeated. At least Vietnam can give China a good fight. India in all its glorious might, can't even match miniscule Vietnam in giving the PLA a good fight. That is not something to be proud of.

China has no plans to use aircraft carriers for power projection. Unless India forces China to do so. India does not have good memories of fighting with China. So stop provoking China into a conflict. Stop threatening to block the Malacca Straits. Stop trying to grab Chinese territories. Stop playing with Tibet. Stop sponsoring terrorists to sabotage the BRI and kill Chinese nationals.

Those are the same folks who confused a satellite photo of crew wiping down the deck of Shandong with cracks on the carrier deck. You are wasting your breath here.
 

by78

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Those are the same folks who confused a satellite photo of crew wiping down the deck of Shandong with cracks on the carrier deck. You are wasting your breath here.

This takes the cake...

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India's army reportedly spent six months watching "Chinese spy drones" violating its air space, only to find out they were actually Jupiter and Venus.

Tensions have been high in the disputed Himalayan border area between the two nations in recent years, with India frequently accusing its neighbour of making incursions onto its territory. Things came to a head during
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when Chinese troops were accused of erecting a camp on the Indian side of the de facto boundary known as the Line of Actual Control (LAC). By that stage, Indian troops had already documented 329 sightings of unidentified objects over a lake in the border region, between last August and February, according to the Calcutta-based
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It quotes military sources as saying the objects violated the LAC 155 times. So, the army called the Indian Institute of Astrophysics to identify the objects. "Our task was to determine whether these unidentified objects were celestial or terrestrial," astronomer Tushar Prabhu told the paper. Only once the objects' movements were noted in relation to the stars were they identified as planets. The Telegraph suggests the sentry ought to be forgiven, with planets appearing brighter as a result of the different atmosphere at altitude and the increased use of surveillance drones.
 

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Whatever happened to their manned space mission in 2016?

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JANUARY 27, 2010
India will launch its first manned space mission in 2016 in a bid to match space pioneers such as Russia and the United States, a top official said Wednesday.

The government had already approved plans for a human space flight project by the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO), and last year gave the go-ahead for funding of around 2.8 billion dollars.

ISRO chairman K. Radhakrishnan said the agency would develop the space module for the programme within four years.

"We are planning a human space flight in 2016, with two astronauts who will spend seven days in the Earth's lower orbit," Radhakrishnan told reporters at ISRO headquarters in Bangalore.

The space agency will also establish a facility in Bangalore for training the
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in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh.

In September, India's Chandrayaan-1 satellite discovered water on the moon, boosting India's credibility among established space-faring nations.

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began its space programme in 1963 and has developed its own satellites and launch vehicles to cut dependence on overseas agencies.

(c) 2010 AFP
 
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