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sndef888

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It's a sign of the terrible state of Indian armed forces in terms of professionalism and maintenance. Nevertheless it's still sad that lives of ordinary people were lost.
Isn't AK-203 basically a plastic AKM? Why in the would would an army buy 7.62mm assault rifle in this day and age?
Probably a masterstroke move by Modi
 

FairAndUnbiased

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The Indians will push back against that by citing their War with Pakistan in 1971 and 1999 as proof of Indian military capabilities, not to mention their Balakhot embellishment and embarrassing display of military incompetence. Watching the press conference held by their national security official was hilarious because I could tell that they're really trying to fashion themselves as a preeminent power like the U.S. replete with mumbo jumbo, feel good quackery only to be embarrassed when one of their pilots was captured one of their choppers got blown to bits by their own weapons.
Pakistan is 5x smaller than India. Beating a country 5x smaller is not an achievement. Suffering as many setbacks as India did in the process is nothing to brag about.
 

Sardaukar20

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Isn't AK-203 basically a plastic AKM? Why in the would would an army buy 7.62mm assault rifle in this day and age?
Somewhat yes. It is a modernized AKM. 7.62 x 39mm is not a bad round for this day and age. It's power is well respected, and it's widely available. The US is also slowly introducing 6.8mm round to the Army, so there is a demand for more power in assault rifles. Vietnam also uses 7.62 x 39mm in their own licensed-production Galil ACE.

The problem with India is that they are procuring both AK 203 (7.62 x 39mm) and Sig 716 (7.62 x 51mm). Couple that with existing stocks of INSAS (5.56 x 45mm). Their logistics is gonna be a mess. Imagine trying to supply a squad armed with all 3 ammunition types. If India still uses older firearms chambered in 7.62 x 54mmR, its an even bigger mess.
 

KIENCHIN

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Apparently it was caused by an AC explosion. Suspected freon leak and ignited. Regular freon don't ignite and explode. Unless they are using propane gas as the Freon in their AC unit. Which is actually not uncommon in AC units around the world.

But why use a flammable AC Freon on a warship? God knows what can happen if a missile struck that AC unit. The ship has one more critical weak point to combat damage. As if the ammunition magazine and fuel tanks are not enough.
Flammable gas used in AC’s are very small in volume and no one in their right mind would use a butane gas chiller in a confine space. If I were a betting man, I would bet they were using a gas they are not suppose to use, example oxygen for pressure testing after a repair job.
 

Sardaukar20

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Flammable gas used in AC’s are very small in volume and no one in their right mind would use a butane gas chiller in a confine space. If I were a betting man, I would bet they were using a gas they are not suppose to use, example oxygen for pressure testing after a repair job.
Actually propane is not an uncommon refrigerant. It is also known as R290 in the refrigeration community. It has been used in air conditioners, space heaters, refrigerators, and freezers. Even in some advanced countries in Europe and Asia. Why they allow this? I don't really know.

Also, they don't use oxygen for pressure testing. They use nitrogen, a cheap, non reactive, and heavy gas, ideal for pressure testing.

Why the Indian Navy decided to use propane in the AC of a warship? Only they know. My guess is that since propane is one of the cheapest AC Freons. They went for the cheapest option.
 

KIENCHIN

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Actually propane is not an uncommon refrigerant. It is also known as R290 in the refrigeration community. It has been used in air conditioners, space heaters, refrigerators, and freezers. Even in some advanced countries in Europe and Asia. Why they allow this? I don't really know.

Also, they don't use oxygen for pressure testing. They use nitrogen, a cheap, non reactive, and heavy gas, ideal for pressure testing.

Why the Indian Navy decided to use propane in the AC of a warship? Only they know. My guess is that since propane is one of the cheapest AC Freons. They went for the cheapest option.
You are right, nitrogen is the has normslly use for pressure testing and helium in difficult to locate leaks in a low pressure machine. Problem is there had been instances, AC techs being lazy and ignorant use oxygen from an oxy acetylene set for pressure testing with catastrophic result. As for propane and butane, it is used bec. of it being a non green house gas. You will find them used on supermarkets and household freezers. As I said, the amount of gas in these system is minimal and even is you have a leak it will not cause an explosion.
 

Broccoli

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About that AK-203 issue.

Nowadays single soldier with his rifle is less important whe compared other weapons in the battlefield, of course you still need them but comparing what kills most of the opponents it's not soldier with a rifle, so it really doesn't matter as long the rifle and has (hopefully) some kinda optical sight. Biggest problem would be ammos weight.
 

gelgoog

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I think the notion the 7.62x39mm Soviet rifle caliber is obsolete is kind of besides the point. It is an intermediate rifle cartridge and is just about as good and some say better than the 5.56mm NATO. In terms of stopping power for example it is more effective since it has more mass in the projectile. It is also a lot cheaper since it uses steel instead of brass and ammo of the type is plentiful. It is not as modern but that does not mean it is worse. At best you might claim it weighs more and has worse logistics. There have been plenty of modern rifle calibers which have been a major fail.

What you are ignoring is that the Indian Army still had and has a lot of AK-47 style rifles. When the INSAS rifle was a failure the Army had to go back and use the AK-47s they had in stock. A new manufacture AK-203 is a lot better than those rifles would be.

I agree that they should use a unified ammo caliber but as we know all too well that is not how the Indian armed forces operate.
 
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Sardaukar20

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Not sure if this thread is suitable for the Indian Space Program news. But it's still kinda related to military.

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As China gears up to become the only country to have an exclusive and probably the only space station by 2024 or latest by 2030, its neighbor, India too has plans to follow suit in a few years
As always, if China has it. India must have it too.
Recently, the Union Minister for Space Jitendra Singh announced in Parliament that
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would be set up by 2030. The country’s long-awaited human spaceflight ‘Gaganyaan’ is slated for launch this year.
“India’s flagship Gaganyaan project has completed the design phase and has entered into the testing phase,” Sivan said.

At the start of the second half of 2022, the space agency will undertake a test vehicle flight to validate the Crew Escape System’s performance, as well as Gaganyaan’s maiden unmanned mission.


So India plans to start testing its manned space vehicle this year. But also aims to have a space station setup by 2030. That's like 8 years away from now. It's gonna be the fastest ever progress from first manned space flight to setting up a space station. India Superpower! Jai Hind!
 
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