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HaldilalSDF

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It surprises me that India is a relatively capable space power with a program that could deliver ICBMs with ease but till date they have not developed a single ICBM... iirc India's longest range ballistic missile is IRBM.
If you still believe that the Agni 5 range is just 5,500 Km.

There's also no first use policy correct? and also main nuclear threat is from Pakistan so the range isn't an issue and for the costs involved, it is simply too much without really the need? China has no first use policy so no nuclear threat from China. Is it because the cost is better spent upgrading other aspects of Indian military since the need for even IRBM isn't really there? SSNBs pursued because the need to develop and progress a certain military tech branch I get that but why not build smaller batches just to keep the tech branch going. I believe the IN has commissioned a lot of SSBNs?
That's for the Second Strike Capabilitie's.
 

HaldilalSDF

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There are probably already three SSBN submarine in water's. That are Arihant, Arighat, S4. And S4* is in almost complete. S 5 would probably be laid down this year.
 

ougoah

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If you still believe that the Agni 5 range is just 5,500 Km.


That's for the Second Strike Capabilitie's.

Even with 9000km assumed range, Agni V is not exactly comparable despite that range just meeting ICBM range category. For example it has no ability to reach north or south america.
 

HaldilalSDF

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And the SSBN budget is not from Naval or the Defence Budget. It's directly sactioned from the PMO. And the exact figures are not available.
 

HaldilalSDF

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The Arihant and Arighat is probably 116 meters long S 4 and S4*is probably 150 meters long. Arihant and Arighat tonnage was around 6,600 tonnes. And the S4 and S4* is probably 7,700 Tonnes.
 

HaldilalSDF

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In coming few days the winner of the project 75 I class submarine would be announced either the Russian or the French proposal will be selected. L & T and MDL are in the race to build the 6 planned 3,000 tonne's plus class submarines. Also strong possibilities of the 3 additional Kalveri class submarine to keep the MDL line working is also considered.
 

gelgoog

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Even with 9000km assumed range, Agni V is not exactly comparable despite that range just meeting ICBM range category. For example it has no ability to reach north or south america.

India is basically on the other side of the globe from North America. And I think no one has enough range to hit South America from land bases since all the countries with nuclear weapons are in the Northern Hemisphere to begin with.
 

ougoah

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India is basically on the other side of the globe from North America. And I think no one has enough range to hit South America from land bases since all the countries with nuclear weapons are in the Northern Hemisphere to begin with.

You're right even DF-5 doesn't reach South America. Unless they are modded and carry a smaller lighter payload.

American missiles could since they're not too far north but anyway Agni V with 5000km range is not ICBM 8000km range is definitely possible for such missile and carrying only a single warhead without shroud. MIRV upgrades to be included in future but will reduce range if nothing else changed unless miniaturisation of warheads are as advanced.

What I found interesting is the fact that India seems to put more development resources and emphasis on achieving decent SLBM capability when they could easily develop good ICBM capability. Again their main nuclear threat is Pakistan but ICBM will provide as good if not much better secondary strike capability against China than short ranged SLBMs would on submarines that aren't known for stealth and need to be within regional Chinese waters to be effective. ICBM/IRBM provide all that and travel through less well protected regions in terms of Chinese BMD systems and OTH radars.
 
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