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Rrriiiiggght .... just like there were WMD in Iraq, which set the precedence for America to invade Iraq, destroying the country entirely and giving birth to the Wahhabi-Salafi cancer called ISIS.

Same way Osama Bin Laden was CIA's point-man in Afghanistan during the Soviet-Afghan War. Which gave birth to the Virus called Al-Qaeda.

The same way American involvement in Central and South America with use of CIA and their infamous "Economic Hitmen" during the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. Destroying their economies, facilitating drug trade and establishment of powerful Drug Cartels that devastated the region to this day.

Calling Russian State News "liars" is a bit rich coming from those who have left a trail of devastation in every region they've visited, invaded, been involved with or coerced through clandestine means.

Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones at others!!

Nice way to argue you have there. Just because others are proven liars does not mean Russians are immediately innocent. Russian state news ARE proven liars. Time and time again. They exaggerate things often and flat out tell tales to suit their agenda. They've pumped up the propaganda in recent years and there is considerable investment done in this area to distract international observers. I know the west does this too. But that doesn't take anything away from what I said. I find you anti-Indian trolls as unbearable as the Indians who talk nonsense online as well. You take the slightest piece of "news" against India at face value and run miles with it. Just like the idiots who do the same against China. We get it. You have personal problems.

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Nice way to argue you have there. Just because others are proven liars does not mean Russians are immediately innocent. Russian state news ARE proven liars. Time and time again. They exaggerate things often and flat out tell tales to suit their agenda. They've pumped up the propaganda in recent years and there is considerable investment done in this area to distract international observers. I know the west does this too. But that doesn't take anything away from what I said. I find you anti-Indian trolls as unbearable as the Indians who talk nonsense online as well.

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Two words ... Prove it!!!

No the onus is on them to prove the "crime". Not on Indian Navy to prove their innocence. What we do know is Russia's been coming out with false and dodgy news for a few years now. Everything from misleading public opinion regarding US politics, Syria, ISIS, to financial news. They exaggerate financial news and forecasts to the point of ridiculousness. No serious professional can look at their reporting and not laugh. This reminds me of them telling tales about China's military involvement in Syria and the bullshit about them not being in Ukraine. As soon as there was proof, they become silent.

Now none of this is to say the West is honest or better. They're not. Neither is Chinese propaganda. Still doesn't take away my point.

Again, making assumptions based on fairy tale thinking and accuse someone of being a troll. Goes to show the sort of acumen the accuser possess. Good luck with that bud!

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No the onus is on them to prove the "crime". Not on Indian Navy to prove their innocence. What we do know is Russia's been coming out with false and dodgy news for a few years now. Everything from misleading public opinion regarding US politics, Syria, ISIS, to financial news. They exaggerate financial news and forecasts to the point of ridiculousness. No serious professional can look at their reporting and not laugh.

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Hey pal, when you make a statement, you gotta learn to back up your claim. Otherwise that "troll" remark applies to those who don't back their statements with proof.

Good luck on everything with your level of intellectual ability for discourse. You have not disproven my claims that Russian media lies. Example. Chinese carrier in war around Syria. Lie!

Start with that one. Your anti-Indian sentiments stinks.

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Hey pal, when you make a statement, you gotta learn to back up your claim. Otherwise that "troll" remark applies to those who don't back their statements with proof.

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Can you read my first post again. When did I ever claim that Russians possibly lying about this sub case is a FACT!? I only suggested that maybe there's more to it and let's not immediately assume Indian's did what Russian's claim they did. Get it??

I don't need to prove anything when I didn't claim anything as fact. I said maybe what the Russians said isn't true. They've lied in the past so even their official sources should be taken with a grain of salt. It is you who is jumping to conclusions about Indians in your first response post to this news. You're the idiot who needs to prove things. Not me. But I guess this is beyond you. Keep dodging it. You're no better than the chauvinisitic Indians on other forums.

You just want to run with whatever anti-indian news there is. Like you have here - "The Russian Federation is well within its rights to hold india accountable for its actions when it came to access to their Akula Class Submarine" - way to jump to conclusions here. We don't even know this is true. And if so, exactly what was "exposed".

I suggest you go read my reply. Your arguments seem counter intuitive. First you say that Russians are liars. Then you say you didn't claim that the Akula article is a lie. Then you jump with the accusation that I am an anti-indian troll.

Dunno what kinda stuff you're smoking bud. However, you ought to read my posts which prove historical reputation of me not being one.

Take a couple of deep breaths, calm down and move on amicably. This forum doesn't require cheapskate remarks or getting personal. Be careful with the choice of words you use and think before you type.

My statements are proven ... to date, zero credible, substantial evidence has been found to prove WMD existence in Iraq.



OBL was appointed in Afghanistan by U.S intelligence agencies to facilitate Afghan Mujahideen fight against Soviet occupation force which was in the country b/w 1979-1989. As it was on the behest of Saudis, who matched every financial sum raised by America for the Afghan Mujahideen. The architect of this strategy was the infamous (late) Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to U.S President Jimmy Carter. Go read what the former Foreign Secretary - Robin Cook has stated about CIA providing money and arms "via"

Economic Hitmen in Central & Southampton America, go read the book on this subject. John Perkins, an NSA recruit, who describes how the strategy of establishing private corporate fronts for funnelling loans for Central American and South American countries, from World Bank to subject them to the will of United States.

Oh and mind telling me which "credible and established" Russian news agency stated that Chinese Carriers were in the Mediterranean Sea for Syria?

Half-hearted statements, with no back up like authored books, websites or historical documentation. That is not how people with intellectual acumen, respond.

This is not a forum where you rant away as you wish. It only proves the point of being discredited poster. So if you value your intelligence, I suggest you be careful of how you go about "discussing" subject matter.

Personal attacks, nonsensical argumentative statements won't get you anywhere.

Okay let's start with a clean slate and imagine the last post was the article claiming Indians gave away Russian sub secrets indirectly by allowing USN personnel onboard.

We don't know for sure at the moment if this has happened. If it did happen, we don't know what was shown. These are facts. Now the reason I suggest that we don't know FOR SURE, is because ONLY the Russians are claiming this. At the moment, no one else has confirmed or denied officially.

We also know Russian official media sources have in recent years been upping their propaganda game. With the likes of RT, Sputnik, South Front...... list goes on. This is a response to Western propaganda aimed at Russia. We also know they have not been honest or truthfully represented many issues. These range from overlooking certain facts to outright lying (e.g. claiming China provided military support to Russia and Assad in the act of sending their carrier to Syria among other claims - yet we know now these were fabrications). Therefore it stands to reason they may have misrepresented this sub fiasco.

The reasons for doing this remain unclear but there are many possible ones. Some of which may include, sending India a message against cosying up to the US. Considering Western military equipment, considering to abandon purchasing of FGFA etc.

We should not jump to conclusions with this many uncertainties out there. And we definitely should not say Russia should be punishing India. Indians and Russians can say and claim whatever they want in their discussions but let's not be as hasty as them. Is it any wonder people can't stand each other or cooperate. All discussions on this issue have completely disintegrated to hate speech because everyone's quick to further and justify their hatred of a particular group based on unproven statements. It's pathetic on all sides.

Sputnik and RT both claimed China's efforts in Syria two years ago. They're not direct "official gov" but are mouthpieces since there's little reason for official gov to issue these statements unless they know is provably true otherwise they will lose all credibility and international reputation so they leave the false propaganda to their mouthpieces. In this way, these sources should be considered official gov since that's pretty much as close to it as we get without getting silence. We usually won't hear directly from Putin etc. Any offence I caused by calling you troll etc I regret. I type these messages without thinking and in the moment. Partly why I don't pay much attention to grammar or spelling. Think I took your "hey pals" and false sarcasm - "Rhhhhhight" too personally but you should know not to use them. If you want to make a point, do so without this sense of self righteousness. I didn't use any tone when I first expressed doubts and offered reasoning in dodgy Russian media, TASS is not better than RT. If you disagree, just kindly say so and why you think that. No reason we can't discuss things appropriately unlike what happens in just about all other military forums.