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thunderchief

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This is a Win/Win for India and Russia, the Indians are no doubt ticked at the French....

Nice post, but don't get over excited :D All those speculations are based on single article , probably misquoting what Sergei Goreslavsky said. Even in traditionally optimistic Russian media I didn't find a single hint about Su-35 being offered to India . Instead , they are talking about modernization of Su-30MKI , possibly new offer of Mig-35 if Rafale deal fails, and of course PAK FA .
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
You are most likely right, but the Su-35 would make a fine addition to the MK-1s already being built and flown by India? Aksha mentioned the silent Flanker posted by Dieno, it is a possibility? As you noted the situation is fluid, I believe Russia would like to "snatch victory" from the jaws of defeat?? I'm not sure the French have the wherewithal to abandon their principle and common sense and engage on this level??

Remember? Rafael-Ford Taurus, Su-35-Chev Corvette, PAK-FA-Red Ferrari----zoom, zoom, lots of gents will fork over the additional cash to have something special? the Russians are not afraid to promise the moon, it appeals to their inner psyche, they will try to deliver, but if not, its never their fault. The rules are for rest of us who are afraid to dream big, and go for broke?

As to F-35??? its still kind of Camaro SS--everybody and his dog drives one??? runs good, and good bang for the buck, your Chevy dealer will make sure it works??? but it is not on the same visceral level as the PAK-FA??? and don't tell the Air Force Brat that pretty airplanes like pretty girls are not fun to squire around---I like pretty airplanes, and they usually fly very well,, for ex F-15, F-18, Su-27, Mig-29, EuroFighter Typhoon??? or I could say? Super Marine Spitfire or North American P-51?

theres more here than just stars lining up-- trust me?
 

thunderchief

Senior Member
Aksha mentioned the silent Flanker posted by Dieno, it is a possibility?

I don't think so . Silent Eagle was an attempt by Boeing to steal some of LM market for F-35. But Sukhoi has no reason to undercut its own premium product - PAK FA . There is simply not enough resources in Russia to create another new fighter design . IMHO, they would offer gradual upgrades to existing fighters (Su-30, Su-35 ) , maybe even incorporate some structural changes if they get new orders . But with current prices ( $40 - 60 million for Su-30, bit more for Su-35, estimated $ 80- 100 million for PAK FA) , there is simply no market for Silent Flanker . Maybe later, if Mig-35 goes trough, there could be smaller and cheaper 5th gen fighter (something like J-31) but IMHO almost no chance for Silent Flanker .
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
I don't think so . Silent Eagle was an attempt by Boeing to steal some of LM market for F-35. But Sukhoi has no reason to undercut its own premium product - PAK FA . There is simply not enough resources in Russia to create another new fighter design . IMHO, they would offer gradual upgrades to existing fighters (Su-30, Su-35 ) , maybe even incorporate some structural changes if they get new orders . But with current prices ( $40 - 60 million for Su-30, bit more for Su-35, estimated $ 80- 100 million for PAK FA) , there is simply no market for Silent Flanker . Maybe later, if Mig-35 goes trough, there could be smaller and cheaper 5th gen fighter (something like J-31) but IMHO almost no chance for Silent Flanker .

Exactly, and we haven't seen a bunch of Silent Eagles or the F-18 Advance Hornet or whatever Boeing is calling it??
 

aksha

Captain
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KOCHI: The VIPs of the Indian Navy are here. Aircraft carriers INS Vikramaditya and INS Viraat reached Kochi on Monday. This is the first time that the newly acquired INS Vikramaditya is visiting Kochi after she entered into the service of the Indian Navy. It is also the first time that both aircraft carriers of the Indian Navy are berthing in Kochi simultaneously. The fleet of seven ships under the Western Naval Command, including the two aircraft carriers, is commanded by Flag Officer Commanding Western fleet Rear Admiral R Hari Kumar. The visit of the fleet is aimed at professional interactions between the officers and men of the different training units in Kochi and the visiting ships. The interaction is aimed at synergising the training and operational aspects of the Navy. Acquired in 2013 and formally inducted into service in June 2014. Vikramaditya, is based at Karwar in Karnataka and is commanded by Captain Suraj Berry. Originally built and commissioned in 1987, the carrier served with the Soviet Union and later with the Russian Navy as Admiral Gorshkov before it was decommissioned in 1996 owing to the high cost of operations. The carrier was purchased by India in January 2004 and she was handed over in 2013 after refitting and sea trials. The ship has been fully integrated with the fleet post trials and has successfully participated in the recently concluded Theater level Readiness and Operational Exercise (TROPEX) where it was extensively used in its operational role. INS Virat, the other aircraft carrier is commanded by Capt Rajesh Pendharkar.
 

aksha

Captain
a great circus is going on

with all this media reports ,it is becoming difficult to understand what is day and what is night:confused:
see unnamed sources
India seals $25bn Russia deal for 127 war planes

The development came following a deadlock over an identical arms deal with France for the purchase of its fourth-generation Rafale jet fighters, prompting the Indian military to hasten an even larger venture with Russia on the joint development and procurement of an equal quantity of the 5th-generation aircraft, The Times of India reported Monday citing unnamed sources.

According to the report, India will also make concessions to accelerate the delivery of the war planes in a bid to take delivery of the first ones out of the production line in 36 months rather than of the previously envisaged 94 months.

However, the report adds, the FGFA contract will not substitute the outgoing Rafale deal, as New Delhi will likely replace it by purchasing a matching quantity of the Russian Sukhoi-30MKI fighters, which are already being manufactured in India.

“As for the Russian Sukhoi-30MKI fighters the curve in technology absorption will also be steep in the FGFA project,” said the source at India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) Aerospace and Defense Company.

The majority of the 272 Sukhois contracted for $12 billion are being produced by HAL, the report notes.

This is while India’s Defense Ministry is currently making efforts to resolve the stalemate with Dassault prior to Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s upcoming state visit to France in early April.

Meanwhile, the initial contract signed with Moscow implied a 50:50 design and production deal to develop an Indian version of Russia’s Sukhoi T-50 (PAK-FA) 5G fighter jets.

The $295-million preliminary design contract was signed in December 2010, the report said, calling for the production of a two-seat version of the PAK-FA and preconditioned that all single-pilot jetfighters must be assembled in India at HAL’s Ozar facility.

“We have agreed to a lesser work-share for a realistic contract, with the initial lot of the FGFA being imported and the rest being made here under technology transfer,” the HAL source added as quoted in the report.
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aksha

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EVERY PENNY OF DEFENCE BUDGET WILL BE SPEND WISELY: PARRIKAR

New Delhi: Stressing that no amount is adequate for the military preparedness to secure the country, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar today said he will focus on wisely spending the money allocated to his ministry.

“I will see to it that every rupee is spent wisely,” Mr Parrikar said in the Rajya Sabha during Question Hour.


Expressing satisfaction on 13.88 per cent hike in the defence budget over the previous year, the Minister said India was at par with other nations so far as percentage of defence expenditure is concerned. Giving comparable data, he said China spends 8.3 per cent of its GDP on its defence forces while Pakistan 16.2 per cent.

“In principle, nothing is adequate for the defence of the country. I intend to spend it wisely, whatever is allocated to us.”

He said the Indian defence budget is decided differently and was not decided the way it was calculated in other countries.

“Quantum-wise, we are reasonably well placed,” Mr Parrikar said, expressing satisfaction that substantial support has been given for capital outlay that is kept for the modernisation of the Armed Forces.

Underling his commitment for ‘Make in India’ initiative in the defence sector, he said all the policy guidelines would be put in place in the next couple of months.

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