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Brumby said:

I think we are going around in circles on this. You are making very specific claims based on what are supposedly in the RFP or DPP. However when asked, you are unable to provide the details in the RFP/DPP but nevertheless the whole basis of your claims are based on the details. You can't have it both ways.

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A Bar Brother said:

I have no idea what you are expecting.

Everything's been posted here and I have asked you to read the specific post multiple times.
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/indian-military-news-ii.t5934/page-88#post-322925

To make it simpler I will point out the exact statements. Look at the second image, the second page in the image (the table in particular).
Point 2 states very clearly that Dassault is responsible even if the delay was out of their control.

It's even underlined in bright red. It doesn't get any more simpler than that.

I have already provided direct quotes from the Raskha Mantri saying Dassault is not adhering to the RFP. All you had to do was read what was presented to you, but you didn't want to do that.

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Brumby said:

Oh Brother here we go again. When you read terms of agreement, you can't make selective reading and ignore the rest. There is a reason why the rest of the terms are there to ensure completeness. With regards to the terms you highlighted it is true it says basically what you have reported but also you conveniently ignore the rest of the terms immediately following which allows any wining bidder to get exclusion (waiver) from compliance if the reason(s) is unreasonable. This is precisely what the French are doing and well within what the RFP is allowing them to do. In effect, the French are following the rules and contrary to the optics of non compliance as you are trying to paint.

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A Bar Brother said:

They aren't. And Dassault is non-compliant with the RFP guidelines that I have specifically mentioned. If they have a problem with one clause, they are against the tenets of the RFP. The rest of the clauses aren't even part of the discussion we are having here.

We aren't talking about unreasonable reasons like lightening strike destroys transport plane or earthquake eats up factory and other such nonsense. We are talking about HAL's ability to deliver and Dassault's responsibility over it.

You asked me to post proof of where it says Dassault is responsible for HAL's work and I have posted it. It appears you are not serious about the discussion. It appears you are unable to understand the points in my post, so I won't be replying to your posts again, since it is going nowhere. You are free to believe what you want.

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The Indian Navy’s plan to procure the amphibious Japanese ShinMaywa US-2i aircraft, under discussion for some time now, finally seems to be making some headway.

After confusion over who would decide the commercial aspects of the order, the defense ministry appears to have resolved the issues and are set to turn over the case to the Defense Acquisitions Council (DAC), headed by the defense minister, for Acceptance of Necessity (AoN).

The two countries have been discussing the planned procurement by the Indian Navy through a Joint Working Group (JWG) since November 2013, which was considering the Indian order for US-2i aircraft, and other technical and commercial cooperation in the aeronautics sector. The JWG has held three meetings and six sub-committee meetings, so far.

But the order was also under consideration by the Indian defense ministry’s Services Capital Acquisition Plan Committee (SCAPC), which considers procurement cases under the five-year Services Capital Acquisition Plan (SCAP). The defense ministry was keen that the process under the Defense Procurement Procedure (DPP) of 2013 for seeking AoN be followed first .

Confusion had arisen over whether the commercial aspects of the order, such as appointment of domestic partners, licensed production and transfer of technology would be decided by the intergovernmental JWG or mandated by the DPP of 2013. But discussions between inter-governmental agencies and the Indian Navy finally seem to be resolved the issue and the case is now expected to be recommended for DAC approval.

It now seems that the selection of domestic partnerships, for instance, have been left to the discretion of the JWG and the Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs) without being nominated, decided and mandated by the defense ministry, as has been done in some earlier cases.

The JWG is mandated with discussing all aspects of the proposed order and in that sense, the commercial aspects, too, could be expected to come under its terms of reference.

But the procurement of aircraft from Japan is a case sui generis. This is the first time since the Second World War that Japan has approved the export of defense-related technologies and is also of strategic significance considering attempts by both, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Prime Minister Narendra Modi to build closer relations between the two countries. The usual procurement practices may not, then, apply and even the DPP allows for such deviations.

The removal of confusion over these commercial aspects is expected to speed up the estimated USD 1.65 billion order for 15 aircraft, which is expected to provide enhanced enhanced fleet support, disaster relief, island support, search and rescue, interception and interdiction capability in rough seas to the Indian Navy, and could resolve incidents like the New Year’s Eve attempted infiltration of an alleged Pakistani terror boat around Indian waters.

The progress of the case was also discussed by Indian Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj and Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida in a meeting held on Saturday in New Delhi.

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NEW DELHI: Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoygu will arrive here tomorrow on a three-day visit to hold talks with his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar and review the ongoing cooperation and future prospects in the crucial sector.

During the talks, the Russian side is expected to raise the issue of the much-delayed joint production of a Fifth- Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) and BrahMos mini-missile.

It is also expected to discuss Russian President Vladimir Putin's offer last month to produce the 'Kamov' military helicopters in India, among other things.

The question of a possible lease of a second nuclear submarine from Russia could also come up in the meeting that is being held just days ahead of US President Barack Obama's visit to the country.

Currently, India operates an 8,140-tonne Akula Class submarine -- renamed the INS Chakra -- which was leased in 2011 from Russia for a period of 10 years.

The issues would feature as part of discussions as the two counterparts chair the 13th meeting of the Russian-Indian Inter-Governmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC).

"The two ministers will review the progress made so far and the future scope," defence sources said.

One of the most important deals in the works between India and Russia at present is the FGFA. A Russian team was in the national capital last month to discuss the deal and iron out any discuss the deal and iron out any differences.

India has said that the basic prototype of the plane is already flying and the Indian version had just a few variations, hence a full-fledged R&D contract would be a waste of time and resources, official sources said.

The preliminary design agreement on the FGFA had been signed in 2010 between HAL and the Russian Sukhoi Design Bureau to build the jet for use by both countries.


But the final R&D contract, which was to be signed by 2012, is still to be finalised. The contract would pave the way for prototype development and flight testing.


Russia is also expected to push for a key deal for the joint development of a BrahMos 'mini missile'. However, sources said that a tripartite agreement in this regard is unlikely to be signed between DRDO, NPOM lab of Russia and BrahMos Aerospace.


The Russian Minister will also be visiting the BrahMos aerospace centre in the national capital

The mini missile will have a speed of Mach 3.5 and can carry a payload of 300-kg up to a range of 290-km. In terms of size, it will be about half that of the present missile, which is around 10-metres long.

BrahMos Aerospace, an Indo-Russian joint venture firm set up in 1998, feels that the new missile could be inducted into service by 2017 and there would be a huge market for it in India and Russia and among friendly foreign countries.



The BrahMos missile can be launched from land, air and marine-based platforms.


While the army and navy have already started inducting land and sea-based Brahmos missile systems, the air launch variant is set for trials soon.

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NEW DELHI: Wooing of the world's biggest arms importer continues unabashedly. Just before US President Barack Obama touches down in New Delhi on January 24, Russian defence minister Sergei Shoigu will be town to further boost military cooperation with India.

With India trying to claw out of its embarrassing and strategically-vulnerable position of still importing around 65% of its military requirements, the two erstwhile bitter Cold War rivals have now taken to brandishing their support for Modi's 'Make in India' policy. Both promise an effortless and fruitful transition from the existing buyer-seller relationship to co-development and co-production of top-notch weapon systems.

The new 10-year defence framework to be inked during Obama's visit will incorporate the Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI), which the US promises will help strengthen India's fledgling defence industrial base, as earlier reported by TOI.

Russia, in turn, wants an early inking of the joint projects for co-development of the stealth fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) and multi-role transport aircraft (MTA), both of which are stuck due to Indian worries over technical, cost and delivery issues.

But no defence deals will actually be inked during the visits of either Shoigu or Obama. Shoigu will co-chair the 13th round of Indo-Russian intergovernmental commission on military technical cooperation with his counterpart Manohar Parrikar on January 21, a month after President Vladimir Putin's visit to India.

Sources said the FGFA project will figure right on top of the agenda, with India keen on Russia resolving the technical issues as well as ensuring that delivery of the stealth fighter begins much before the earlier slated induction from 2024-2025 onwards.

Once India and Russia ink the final R&D agreement, which was to be signed in 2012, both will contribute $5.5 billion each towards the cost of designing, infrastructure build-up, prototype development and flight testing.

The 127 single-seat fighters for India, to be built at the Ozar facility of Hindustan Aeronautics in Nashik, will cost extra. India will spend a total of $25 billion on the FGFA project.

The strategic embrace with the US is relatively new. Even though the two are holding a staggering round of combat exercises, India is yet to fully shed its long-standing inhibitions about the US being a reliable long-term defence supplier of advanced arms technologies.

Consequently, as earlier reported by TOI, with US undersecretary for acquisition, technology and logistics Frank Kendall slated to hold talks on January 22 here, the co-production under DTTI will kick-off with only two "simple technologies". A hand-launched mini UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) and aircraft surveillance-cum-intelligence gathering modules are likely to be selected from the earlier long list of offers made by the US.

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India has begun negotiations with Russia to lease nuclear submarine K-322 "Kashalot" Project 971 "Pike-B", informs "Interfax" referring to a source in the Russian military-industrial complex. If the parties sign a contract until the end of 2015, the ship can be delivered to the customer already in 2018.

According to the source agency, before the submarine will be leased, it will be modernized in accordance with the requirements of the Indian Navy. Work will be performed Amur Shipyard, where now is the K-322. A total revision "Kashalot", its testing and training of Indian crew will take three years. Indian Ministry of Defence is considering the lease nuclear submarine for a period of ten years.

The fact that India is considering the possibility of renting the submarine Project 971, it became known in December 2014. Then the Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said that the Defense Ministry is considering two options: the extension of the lease of the submarine "Chakra" (K-152 "Seal") Project 971 or rent the second ship of the "Pike-B." On the timing of the final decision Parrikar then spoke.

It was also reported that the Indian military department interested in the possibility of renting a submarine "Irbis" Project 971I tab which took place in 1994. Readiness of the ship with the serial number 519 is estimated at 46-48 per cent; at the time of freezing construction in the Amur shipyard in 2011, was formed by the pressure hull of the submarine. Earlier, India declared its readiness to consider funding the completion of the submarine and its subsequent lease.

Currently, the Indian Navy submarine worth "Chakra", built in Russia under the project 971 "Pike-B." Contract on leasing the ship was signed in 2004, and its cost was about $ 980 million (it was originally set at $ 650 million). Delivery of the ship to the customer regularly delayed; the contract of 2004 it was assumed that India will "Chakra" in 2008.

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aksha said:

India will have to rent Russian nuclear submarine

India has begun negotiations with Russia to lease nuclear submarine K-322 "Kashalot" Project 971 "Pike-B"

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