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A Bar Brother
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Not even a word about Rafale, just a pic (photoshopped )
There's not a word about many other projects. They are still working on it.
We are keeping our fingers crossed. Hopefully the lessons learned from LCA, Rafale and FGFA will be put to good use before the AMCA rolls out.
True. The capabilities of the FGFA seem to overlap with the AMCA, but it's the same between Rafale and MKI.
The only aspect that comes to mind is the hi-lo mix in a large air force. The FGFA's Hi to the AMCA's Lo. While the FGFA may do the same things at longer range, the AMCA should be able to generate more sorties while being cheaper to induct and fly. The AMCA's larger internal payload compared to the FGFA is similar to the one between F-22 and F-35.
The AMCA will do a lot to help out the indigenous industry. So when the FGFA and AMCA replacements are required, we can make them on our own. Other countries are doing something similar, Japan, Korea and Turkey come to mind. They are buying the F-35 and have an indigenous project of their own.
Brumby
Major
No other nation presently has that kind of force structure mix of F-22/F-35 (both stealth) like the US. In getting there, the F-22 program was truncated (because of cost) and the F-35 was developed subsequently and not concurrently.
IMHO, the FGFA/AMCA is not fiscally sustainable (given India's limited budget); technologically achievable (considering the different required core components) and economically viable (in view of domestic volume).
It appears to me to be a play thing of politicians (sound bite positive) and technocrats (for various vested interest) rather than a coherent long range indigenous program with realistic and achievable goals.
Skywatcher
Captain
18 tons as the MTOW for the AMCA, and 12 tons empty? Shouldn't 18 tons be the typical combat configuration (presumably for A2A missions)?
Brumby
Major
I agree with the direction expounded by Prof. Bharat from the article which I quote "Experts like Prof. Bharat Karnad of New Delhi-based Centre for Policy Research underscore the urgent need to rationalise the force structure, ideally to Su-30s, the indigenous Tejas Mk-1 for short-range air defence, Tejas Mk-II as MMRCA, and the Su-50 PAK FA as fifth-generation fighter to be developed with Russia."
Basically that means buy more Su-30; drop the MMRCA program; speed up production and induction of Tejas; and stop fiddling with the FGFA program and just ink the final contract. The Indian bureaucracy just seems to get into this habitual endless cycle of negotiations rather than just getting things done.
I would probably mirror TP's take on it Aksha, lots of folks who see the need to play fifth gen are buying something off the shelf, and seriously considering building something "better" indigenously, or at least something that would keep the cash at home. Never a bad idea, but all the indigenous fifth gens in this class are basically F-22/F-35 configuration "knock-offs". The J-20 seems to be the only fifth gen wannabee that has a truly unique configuration, does that make it better???? not really, but different to be sure. Most of these proposals will end up gathering dust in the current world economy, which has tanked, but not everyone has realized that yet?
I wish I could be more positive, as many of these airplanes are promising, and could very well make very sweet airplanes, but it takes so MUCH MONEY, and that's just to get started, just ask the Chinese and the Russians how costly this stuff is, I'm just glad to see other folks have to spend the money, makes me feel a lot better about our little chicks, and they are EXPENSIVE!
says it is prototype 7,
if a bar brother is correct it is the first FGFA[/QUOTE]
He's not, but lets see if it is a two place configuration? wasn't that one of India's criteria for the FGFA? Russia may say, yes, this is yours, send us another couple of billion??? but hey, that's Russia.
Not to criticize Russia, but Russia's first, second, and third, and then you might get a slice of pie, or you might not??? depends on how bad they need your dirty old money?
if a bar brother is correct it is the first FGFA[/QUOTE]
He's not, but lets see if it is a two place configuration? wasn't that one of India's criteria for the FGFA? Russia may say, yes, this is yours, send us another couple of billion??? but hey, that's Russia.
Not to criticize Russia, but Russia's first, second, and third, and then you might get a slice of pie, or you might not??? depends on how bad they need your dirty old money?
one of the reasons india needs the AMCA is because they can't afford to have another MMCRA fiasco again,
pimping out money to foreign nations,keeping their aircraft industry alive,