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It is not that surprising. Double the 1985 price, this is just inflation.
But yeah it isn't worth the cost.
I think there had to be corruption involved for the program to even be approved for procurement. As pointed out by others, the design is archaic, and it is hard to imagine that an uncorrupt military official would ever approve the procural of such a weapon system in modern times if not for the intent of producing a contract that they might illegally profit from.
Another day doing neither boasting nor lying is another day wasted, according to the Jai Hinds.
Imagine the AECC telling the PLAAF, Chengdu AC and Shenyang AC that "Yes, I can confirm that we totally can develop WS-10 for the J-10s and J-11s in 10 years, but we don't really need to, because we can just rely on AL-31s from Russia to power them. Instead, we should develop VCE/ACE-based WS-XX for our J-20 and J-35 right now!" back in the 1990s or 2000s.
Imagine the AECC telling the PLAAF, Chengdu AC and Shenyang AC that "Yes, I can confirm that we totally can develop WS-10 for the J-10s and J-11s in 10 years, but we don't really need to, because we can just rely on AL-31s from Russia to power them. Instead, we should develop VCE/ACE-based WS-XX for our J-20 and J-35 right now!" back in the 1990s or 2000s.
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There's no reason to object to India's national pastime of self-deception: its deleterious effects on the Indian defense industry has been a blessing to regional peace and stability!
In this instance, our Bharati bhais seem to believe they have found one or two willing foreign partners to co-develop an ACE turbofan with:
If the US won't authorize the sale of F-35 fighters to India, our Bharati bhais obviously won't be co-developing a 6th gen turbofan with GE or Pratt & Whitney.
OTOH, GTRE partnering with Rolls Royce and IHI is plausible if India enrolls in GCAP, and there has been .
However, considering , India obviously won't get everything she wants ToT wise should she sign on:
Though it certainly would be hilarious if Tokyo, Rome and London end up stringing New Delhi along for several years and billions of dollars, only for GCAP to be canceled due to escalating disagreements between the partners compounded by .
Moreover, such a scenario could cause the AMCA program to be effectively rolled into GCAP, which will allow India to proudly declare itself an indigenous developer of a 6th gen (minus) fighter, rather than the merely 5th gen AMCA as it currently exists on paper!
Alternatively, New Delhi could be looking to work with Safran or UEC. Paris , and Moscow obviously won't object to Indian taxpayers funding their R&D.
I have no words,
Days ago they put the final nail in the kaveri engine coffin, scrapped plans to eventually use it for Tejas.
Days later they say ' India now possesses the technical know-how and foundational capability to independently develop a 5th generation fighter jet engine'
Is this 'know how' a pdf/cad file, a blender mechanical animation?
How on earth you couldnt do it for kaveri (4th gen) but can 'develop it' for 5th and then go on say 'Nuh uh but we arent gonna!'
This is such a 'I have a girlfriend but she goes to a different school' type of thing.
Is that the thingy I just saw, about AMCA engines 'co-develop'
There's so much disinformation and misinformation originating out of India these days, some of us no longer bother consuming Indian reporting on a proactive basis at this point. As such, thank you for taking the effort to filter this out for the rest of us!
Unsurprising that India is looking to Safran and Rolls Royce; but TBH, both are far from optimal partners as far as VCE/ACE turbofan co-development goes.
Safran is currently partnered with Germany's MTU and Spain's ITP Aero in developing a thrust vectoring VCE turbofan for the FCAS program:
However, the FCAS program is not expected to yield its principal crewed platform until ~2040. Assuming said platform's powerplant is moving forward on a similar schedule, forgoing the development of a 5th gen turbofan isn't going to bode well for the already delayed AMCA.
Though working with Safran may present an opportunity for HAL to acquire an uprated iteration of the M88 turbofan, which currently powers IAF Rafales, as an "interim solution" for the AMCA.
OTOH, Rolls Royce is definitely not a company the Indian authorities should want to co-develop a VCE/ACE turbofan with, even if they're ahead of Safran technologically.
The spent years around the Turks, who may have finally dropped their in favor of a competing program leveraging expertise from Ukraine's Ivchenko-Progress in their endeavor to develop and locally manufacture a powerplant for the TAI Kaan.
May 2017 signing ceremony establishing the Turkish Air Engine Company (Anglo-Turkish JV)
Looking at Ankara's recent experience with Rolls Royce, New Delhi would be foolish to try the same, but their decision makers might not know better, especially if afforded "generous incentives."
The Indian authorities are most likely talking to UEC as well, but they might be hush hush about such negotiations with the Russians out of fear of upsetting Daddy Trump, especially as New Delhi is still in the process of negotiating a trade deal with Washington.
WOW!!! That is the height of self-delusion.
Claiming that Indians can build a 5th gen jet engine when India has never developed a even mass produced piston for a cropduster!
And then think anyone would believe the excuse of "well, we're just concentrating our effort for the 6th gen engine" to the obvious question of how about just building earlier gen engines is the height of insanity.
No market?! When India is bellyaching for GE to hurry up with the F404 so they can complete their 40-year-old "new" light fighter?
IDRW is a garbage source, although Indian officials are known for their outrageous boasting, this website is particularly garbage
They couldn't develop an equivalent of the F404 (service entry: 1983). Now they are confirming they could develop a F119 equivalent. Even further, they are SKIPPING it to work on a decades more advanced engine! WOW