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Lethe

Captain
Posted Jan 2023:
By 2030 India should have...

10 ~7000t Destroyers (P15+15A+P15B)
10 ~7000t Large Frigates (P17+17A)
10 ~4000t Medium Frigates (Talwar)
10 ~2000-3000t Large Corvettes (P28+NGMV)

(With the exception of the Next-Generation Missile Vessels, all of these ships have already been at least laid down, so even with due caution I think it is reasonable to assume they will arrive by 2030.)

Plus smaller craft like the aforementioned ASW-SWC ships. Not a bad collection of ships really.

Checking in two years later: this is mostly on track with the exception of NGMV which
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to a 1400t vessel approximating a 1:1 replacement for existing Khukri-class corvettes, albeit with LM2500 gas turbine propulsion and BrahMos. This at least has the conceptual advantage of creating a clearer distinction between NGMV and notional >3000t NGC projects, but the latter remains just that: notional. Steel cutting ceremony for the first NGMV (of six) was held
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. Given the smaller size of these vessels, at least the earliest units should make service by 2030.
 
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Lethe

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Why does India need 10 7K DDGs and 10 7K FFGs? You have two classes of the same tonnage but different weapons?

Different genealogy combined with displacement inflation over time.

Project 15 destroyers come out of Soviet input stream as successor to earlier Rajput-class with Zorya-Mashproekt gas turbines, first ship INS Delhi laid down 1987. INS Surat to be commissioned imminently is end of line for this series, and no further destroyers are likely to be commissioned for another decade or so.

Project 17 frigates come out of Western input stream with LM 2500 gas turbines, first ship INS Shivalik laid down 2001. There is talk of follow-on Project 17B order which seems a likely path to maintain induction tempo of larger warships through mid-2030s.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
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classic mismanagement and short sighted thinking of our leadership. If one thinks about the mentality of these people, they would jump off a clip in frustration.
Lt.Gen. Shukla or someone that possess similar strategic mindset should be the one leading organizations like HAL and DRDO in order to have these laggard organizations get the right kick in their collective nuts to make tangible results that don't take decades and failures assigned with a billion excuses
 

GiantPanda

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This is actually quite funny!

They are doing this docking experiment with two satellites (not actual space vehicles usable by a manned crew.)

Well it seems that they can't get them aligned in low orbit and might need to delay until March! Nobody thought this through? Or they simply don't have the ability they thought they had?

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In the SpaDeX project, the two satellites have been placed in a low orbit and are travelling with a speed of 7 km per second. Now according to the experts, the problem with low flying satellites is that the spacecrafts position keeps changing with the earth's rotation, which further complicates the tracking tasks for the scientists.
As position keeps shifting, there is hardly a 15-20 minute window for the docking move.
 

FighterHead

New Member
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For comparision's sake. This was China's first docking test in 2011. It was done with a full-sized, fully operable (though unmanned) supply vehicle and a space station module.
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This is India's today:
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This is actually quite funny!

They are doing this docking experiment with two satellites (not actual space vehicles usable by a manned crew.)

Well it seems that they can't get them aligned in low orbit and might need to delay until March! Nobody thought this through? Or they simply don't have the ability they thought they had?

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In the SpaDeX project, the two satellites have been placed in a low orbit and are travelling with a speed of 7 km per second. Now according to the experts, the problem with low flying satellites is that the spacecrafts position keeps changing with the earth's rotation, which further complicates the tracking tasks for the scientists.
As position keeps shifting, there is hardly a 15-20 minute window for the docking move.
You should refer to this
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for more information.

regarding ISRO docking two satellites with no crew onboard. Well, this is our first attempt at it and we are just validating the technologies developed. Obviously we will use the option with least risk to test it out and we are also low on budget when compared to other behemoths in space. China did it their own way which can be said to be grander or more complicated, well ok, I congratulate them, but is that way the SOP of doing your first docking in space? No. We landed on moon a decade after China, but what do i make out of it?

Also, can we have a little bit of patience and wait for information (especially if it has failed yet or not) before claiming things like "they dont know how to do it, they did not think about it, China did it before"
We dont even have all the details and as the project has not failed yet, just postponed, how can we make all the big claims about ISRO not knowing basic things that you pointed out? This is so premature.
And the comparison with China is not necessary, especially in the space field. India is not aiming to defeat China, USA or Russia in space. We are just gradually advancing our technologies to enable us to perform deep space
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like moon landing and space station stuff. Even if china lands people on moon this month, we would still work according to our own goals and needs.
Also, Why does this situation seem funny to you?
 

coolgod

Colonel
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Also, Why does this situation seem funny to you?
The funny thing is that Indian media were boasting about this docking when the satellites were launched. It's been over 2 weeks and the media has been silent now. Most countries boast about their space missions after they succeed, not when they start.
 

FighterHead

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The funny thing is that Indian media were boasting about this docking when the satellites were launched. It's been over 2 weeks and the media has been silent now. Most countries boast about their space missions after they succeed, not when they start.
Many Indians are tired of this too. Our media is regarded as substandard by many in the subcontinent and it fully deserves it. But, who does not deserve this is ISRO. Just because the Indian media boasted and all does not mean ISRO said stuff like this officially and as such news and developments regarding ISRO should not be met with such petty ridicule. Reserve that ridicule for our media, which we ourselves ridicule all the time. They deserve it.
 

GiantPanda

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And the comparison with China is not necessary, especially in the space field. India is not aiming to defeat China, USA or Russia in space. We are just gradually advancing our technologies to enable us to perform deep space
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like moon landing and space station stuff. Even if china lands people on moon this month, we would still work according to our own goals and needs.

I see Indians doing this comparison a lot!

And by Indians in their political, science and military communities not just the nutters on the internet.

Also, Why does this situation seem funny to you?

It is funny because of the breathless headlines.

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