Chjna tested icbm towards pacific, and has tensions w US tho... weapons testing is usually for deterrence... anyway pakistan is still there.
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Chjna tested icbm towards pacific, and has tensions w US tho... weapons testing is usually for deterrence... anyway pakistan is still there.
You gave one out of ten thousand answers to your own question. Hopefully you realise how silly your framing of your question was. India testing SLBM has little to do with border deal. No country stops developing its military because border deals are signed. In any case the contentious border between India and China is not settled. India finally agreed to China's negotiation post clash offers for pseudo settlement but the border is still not demarcated. It is one step in the right direction from China's perspective but has not solved the problem.
India may choose to instigate the border again in future and there's no paper protecting China from India doing this. Only force and the threat of repercussion. If India held the higher hand in terms of power, it would long have taken over what it disputes and much of Tibet too no doubt. Currently, not only does the power difference stand in their way, the very fact that Tibet (and indeed the disputed region) is topographically much more distant from India than it is from China (read Tibet) almost guarantees this to stay the way it does. In fact India already has gotten away with taken much of the highlands. Many of which are admittedly Indian lands culturally and historically. Certainly more so than they were Tibetan lands. I'm referring to parts of Kashmir.
I watched an intwview of an indian guy, in the wire india youtube channel discussing some indian archive official documents on some of the border issues...You gave one out of ten thousand answers to your own question. Hopefully you realise how silly your framing of your question was. India testing SLBM has little to do with border deal. No country stops developing its military because border deals are signed. In any case the contentious border between India and China is not settled. India finally agreed to China's negotiation post clash offers for pseudo settlement but the border is still not demarcated. It is one step in the right direction from China's perspective but has not solved the problem.
India may choose to instigate the border again in future and there's no paper protecting China from India doing this. Only force and the threat of repercussion. If India held the higher hand in terms of power, it would long have taken over what it disputes and much of Tibet too no doubt. Currently, not only does the power difference stand in their way, the very fact that Tibet (and indeed the disputed region) is topographically much more distant from India than it is from China (read Tibet) almost guarantees this to stay the way it does. In fact India already has gotten away with taken much of the highlands. Many of which are admittedly Indian lands culturally and historically. Certainly more so than they were Tibetan lands. I'm referring to parts of Kashmir.
I think india tested in the indian ocean, plus building a new sub base facing malacca strt.
I watched an intwview of an indian guy, in the wire india youtube channel discussing some indian archive official documents on some of the border issues...
I think india tested in the indian ocean, plus building a new sub base facing malacca strt.
Lol I can't believe people still bring up the Malacca Strait because Peter Zeihan the fraud (or CPC agent) kept hammering this 70 IQ point.
Malacca strait talk from India and western figures (years ago, they barely do this now since realising how moronic it makes them sound) were regarding their dreams of being able to isolate China from global trade routes. They spared no thought about simply stopping trade. Okay suppose for some reason one had to absolutely shut China off from all global trade including material and energy imports. Is Malacca Strait China's only door to the material and energy resource world? No.
If India wants to be able to prevent PLAN from entering Indian Ocean in times of conflict, this is the only potentially worthy point of discussion. What roles do SLBMs hold here? Very little unless those SLBMs are ASBMs which they are not. Ignoring that, suppose India just wants to be able to coordinate with US and Pac Rim powers to fight a naval war with China around south east asia, in such a scenario, does China have any interest in venturing that far south-west? No. Does it have any interests there? A few. Are they worth diverting resources during war? No.
Will India have repercussions for doing so? Assured.
So as a net effect what does India's chest thumping about the Indian Ocean have on China and China's path of development? Nil. Indians do dream about being able to stop China from traversing the Indian Ocean to reach Africa and Middle East, let's see if they will and can do it. If bullets start really flying, China will use land routes to Middle East and have Russia as a supplier. BTW it's often forgotten that China itself has a huge reserve of just about every raw material and coal. Some supplies are lacking surely but India and the west will not be able to shut China off from essential supplies it does not have enough of at home. If they somehow do manage, it simply escalates that war to existential and forces China into attacking adversaries in turn, quickly concluding the war because no developed nation has any tolerance for its cities being attacked at all.
People still underestimate China's abilities and resources to an astounding degree. Russia hasn't "collapsed" at all despite the best global efforts. India is here still dreaming about Malacca Strait with Peter Zeihan even though the most moronic Washington hawks already long given up on containing China and now negotiating for a mutual development path. The world is currently being secretly (not that secretly) divided up between the US and China.
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Its there after all, and Indian recent actions point there.. regardless if you find it unimportant or not.. why china investing in more routes... or whether the indian missile testing is just a routine or deterrence..Lol I can't believe people still bring up the Malacca Strait because Peter Zeihan the fraud (or CPC agent) kept hammering this 70 IQ point.
Its there after all, and Indian recent actions point there.. regardless if you find it unimportant or not.. why china investing in more routes... or whether the indian missile testing is just a routine or deterrence..
These things are about as much threat to China and its development path as China's islands are a threat to US sovereignty. Some media will hype it up but this is all very boring.
You seem to be trying to drive a wedge between China and India, hyping up normal things into some crazy threat. India's missiles are no threat to China. India wants to develop missiles that other countries have. That's all we're seeing. India wants to develop nuclear submarines that other countries have. It has nothing to do with India wanting to direct these at China. It would be akin to claiming Huludao's nuclear submarine facilities are there to destroy India. It simply isn't true even if WSJ (quite a biased source btw) makes a claim that China's nuclear arsenal expansion in recent years is to destroy country X. It is simply just developing along an expected route.
If you're suggesting India is building up to challenge China in Indian Ocean, I ask you how they can do this during peacetime ie India will not dare shoot at China and start a war. If India is doing this stuff preparing for a war, it is far, far behind China with fewer resources and a lower starting base. If this is aimed at preparation for war, then we simply will see China engage India in Indian Ocean presence arms race.
Essentially what I'm saying is, China will not start shooting at the US in the western pacific. Just as incredulous as India shooting China in Indian Ocean or Malacca Strait. It doesn't benefit China to initiate war with US and it doesn't benefit India to initiate war with China. It will invite unimaginable losses on both sides for all those scenarios. China however is happy as things are. Its development and trajectory is more than satisfactory keeping business as is. China therefore will not be shooting at India in the Indian Ocean unless shot at first. So assuming India is preparing for this showdown, in such a scenario, India will be trying to take away China's advantage with business as is. China will then respond and devastate India. India isn't stupid enough to fuck around. Therefore those SLBM and SSN SSBN developments are simply India going about its usual development. Not aimed directly at anyone with any intention.
BTW if you take a look at India's SLBM and nuke subs, you'd realise how many decades behind they are. It makes sense for them to be working on these and trying to field first gens or in some cases, test out and improve their first gens e.g. their nuke boats.
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