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Lethe

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I notice that future Indian Navy frigate INS Tushil is
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, with her sister INS Tamala to follow in 2025. These frigates are interesting for a few reasons:

1. As the latest evolution of the Pr. 1135 Burevestnik design lineage dating back to the Soviet Union. The order is Krivak -> Talwar (Batch I and II) -> Admiral Grigorovich -> Talwar (Batch III/IV).

2. The political machinations by which these latest ships were birthed into being. Tushil and Tamala were laid down for the Russian Navy as Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates Admiral Butakov and Admiral Istomin respectively in 2013. They were orphaned under construction when Ukraine refused the supply of gas turbines following Russia's annexation of Crimea. The project was subsequently revived with India as the new customer for both engines and ships, still to be completed at Yantar shipyard, Kaliningrad.

3. Although India will undoubtedly continue to rely on foreign partners for supplying certain systems and components, Tushil and Tamala are very likely to be the last major combatants constructed abroad for the Indian Navy. A further two ships in the class are under construction at Goa shipyard, the first of which, INS Triput, was launched earlier this year.
 
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GiantPanda

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Even the upgrade programs are getting delayed


Well, I guess it is better late than never?

How the Indians used the MKI in 2019 during PAF's retaliatory strikes is pretty telling IMO.

The MKI spent that entire episode dodging missiles and might have had one of its members shot down without doing anything. They sent in a MiG-21 instead which promptly got smoked and had its pilot famously captured.

This is a heavyweight fighter that India had hundreds of and which should have outgunned anything Pakistan had. But it was basically left powerless against smaller F-16s and JF-17s during the PAF counterstrike -- counterstrike meaning the IAF must have known that there will be retaliation and still they deployed their largest and most numerous asset this poorly.

A bigger plane should invariably translate into bigger radar, better range, bigger and longer ranged weapons. So it must have been already terribly out of date in 2019 for India to use it so meekly.
 

Gloire_bb

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Well, I guess it is better late than never?

How the Indians used the MKI in 2019 during PAF's retaliatory strikes is pretty telling IMO.

The MKI spent that entire episode dodging missiles and might have had one of its members shot down without doing anything. They sent in a MiG-21 instead which promptly got smoked and had its pilot famously captured.
Air combat isn't decided by size, it's decided by seizing the initiative. J-16 or F-15 in the same situation would be doing exact same thing.
The main advantage of larger planes in this situation is amount of fuel and weapons onboard.

Blasting mkis for defending when they were shot at is just dumb.
Any fighter will, this is normal behavior when GCI screams incoming.

Abnormal behavior was to charge and get some tea.
 
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