Indian Economics thread.

[ansy1968]

You might be right in the fact that India may need to burn everything to the ground as China did with the Cultural Revolution. It's ironic because cultural sophistication is a handicap to change because you have to unlearn your identity and way of thinking first before adopting something new.

This is why being older and/or being more developed are things that make it harder for a Civilization to adapt quickly to change. China like all great Civilizations is very proud and deeply learned in its age-old traditions and beliefs but unfortunately, those approaches tend to be backward and incompatible with the modern global society which is built around Western Civilization. As tragic and evil as the Cultural Revolution was for China, it was a necessary Faustian bargain for the people to make as it allowed Chinese society to revert back to zero from a development path less suited to modernity. When you are brought up to think and behave like an engineer it is hard to unlearn your training and to act like a warrior or musician.

People should watch Netflix's White Tiger as it perfectly encapsulates the ignorance and servile nature ingrained into the Indian underclass as well as the tyranny of cousins that holds back India's potential. Even with a strong work ethic and high intelligence, it is almost impossible to escape the cycle of poverty present.

@In4ser bro I'm afraid the US is following the Indian sample, You may not noticed but a US caste system is currently exist. The US bhramins and its subordinate in the tech sector are implementing policy that ensured power stay in their hands, by deplatforming reformers that want changes in the system and destroying their reputations while others let the system swallowed them and become the establishment. This culture war or woke is their answer, letting peoples anger and frustration on each other rather than solving it.

 

[hkbc]

@hkbc bro @voyager1 and I both from the outside looking in had seen the suffering of the Indians and it pains us, they're human being same as us. China experience the same thing and being a Hua Qiao is a proof of that, my father had seen the horror of war and the abuses of the KMT, so leaving China pains him deeply until his death. That is the lesson he always place upon me, that China needed to be strong and major changes are necessary and follow SUN YAT SEN THREE PRINCIPLE which is nationalism, democracy, and the livelihood of the people.

So your justification is you see 'suffering of Indians' and that your father witnessed some horrors of war. Well, Mao in all his purges never advocated lining up all the bourgeoisies and gunning them all down because they 'oppressed the people'.

Your post which spark my ire is just a sick parody of Orwell's “Four legs good, two legs bad.” Allow me to explain why the following offensive to me

@hkbc bro its easy kill all the Bhramins , cut off the head of the snake and see the whole caste system disintegrate. Since they're few in numbers it is doable. Then from there your may recast India in your likings and my first priority is population control, real woman rights and its owned constitution that truly reflective of India instead of adapting the British systems and lastly and very important the banning of head shaking....LOL its so irritating.

Brahmins are born not made so by your reckoning people who through no fault of their own, who are born into a social strata of a society, you obviously know little about, should be exterminated for the sake of a another segment of that society because that's just the right thing to do for the livelihood of the people

You've just described the dictionary definition (not the Pompeo/Blinken definition) of genocide. The corollary to your 'logic' would be just exterminate the poor then everyone left will be rich!

As a casual observer looking into a complex society maybe you should actually comprehend the complexities of that society before spewing out outlandish 'solutions'.

How is your 'solution' any different from the NeoCon mantra 'We hate the CCP not the Chinese people we need to liberate the oppressed people of China by removing the CCP'

Apart from

• People chose to and get accepted into the Communist party of China they made a conscious choice
• Even the NeoCons aren't saying kill them all!

May be Western media and psy ops is so good, it makes everyone exposed to it genocidal!

 

[ougoah]

India's social issues don't end with replacing Modi with competent leadership but it does begin with it for now. Mending relations with Pakistan would indirectly serve to improve relations with China. Advocating for the beheading of certain social classes is too 19th and 20th century lol but the violence that's been happening in India that derive from social instability could almost push a revolutionary force into being that violent.

 

[voyager1]

India's social issues don't end with replacing Modi with competent leadership but it does begin with it for now. Mending relations with Pakistan would indirectly serve to improve relations with China. Advocating for the beheading of certain social classes is too 19th and 20th century lol but the violence that's been happening in India that derive from social instability could almost push a revolutionary force into being that violent.

Indian oligarchs have gotten all the wealth and left some scrubs for the poor Indian people to fight over between them.

Modi has to go, the oligarchs must let go of the wealth (either with good or bad way), and India should improve relations with Pakistan (Kashmir must be solved) and China

From what I am seeing, India is doing nothing from the above points

 

[AndrewS]

Indian oligarchs have gotten all the wealth and left some scrubs for the poor Indian people to fight over between them.

Modi has to go, the oligarchs must let go of the wealth (either with good or bad way), and India should improve relations with Pakistan (Kashmir must be solved) and China

From what I am seeing, India is doing nothing from the above points

I think it's inevitable that you get quasi-oligarchs when there is rapid economic growth.
We've seen this happen in the US at the turn of the century and in China more recently for example for example.

But what is not inevitable is for the poor to actually get poorer like we see in India.

It's ridiculous how child malnutrition in India actually got worse in the 5 years prior to the pandemic.

 

[voyager1]

I think it's inevitable that you get quasi-oligarchs when there is rapid economic growth.
We've seen this happen in the US at the turn of the century and in China more recently for example for example.

But what is not inevitable is for the poor to actually get poorer like we see in India.

It's ridiculous how child malnutrition in India actually got worse in the 5 years prior to the pandemic.

Thing is that in India you have like 3-5 people controlling all that wealth instead of spreading it "normally" to 20-30 people

And yes malnutrition is deadly for a nation. Studies have shown that malnutrition during childhood lowers the child's IQ and reduces future neurological/brain development

If India is banking on its demographic divident to grow and then it realises that its young people due to malnutrition have low IQ then Lol!

 

[In4ser]

@In4ser bro I'm afraid the US is following the Indian sample, You may not noticed but a US caste system is currently exist. The US bhramins and its subordinate in the tech sector are implementing policy that ensured power stay in their hands, by deplatforming reformers that want changes in the system and destroying their reputations while others let the system swallowed them and become the establishment. This culture war or woke is their answer, letting peoples anger and frustration on each other rather than solving it.

It seems to be the case. Sophists are have not only because prevalent but dominant in both Indian and American society. What is popular isn't right. What is right isn't popular. It's all about rhetoric to build money and reputation rather than reason and practicality which is why Democracy killed Socrates while Plato disliked and Aristotle hated it.

Whether you are business, law, or politics you promise everything and give nothing. Lawyers are taught to take pride in defending criminals because they see it as their duty to provide equal and fair representation especially if the criminal has a lot of money. Politicians are notorious for empty promises then blocking, diverting, and blaming the other side on progress or reform. Marketing and Sales are known to make short-term profits by offering similar undeliverable promises despite what engineering, design, and finance can do to get commissions and bonuses while management implements stupid policies like stock buybacks or cutting other departments like IT or R&D for quarterly profits to get a golden parachute or promotion to another company before shit hits the fan.

Truth and rationality don't matter so long as you can get money fast and even if the results are temporary, you can always kick the can down the road by blaming the other side or switching sides. As much as the West talks about values and human rights, their actions in practicality reflect otherwise because money talks and bullshit walks.

 

[Petrolicious88]

India definetely needs its own Mao. They need someone with a wrecking ball to destroy everything and everyone standing on the way to rejuvenation (lol) of India. He needs to fundamentally change the society in India.

However this is so so extremely difficult I give it an almost 0% chance of happening.

With this high difficulty, you can see why Mao is revered so much. Simple stuff, without Mao this modern China that the people are now seeing wouldnt even exist

Modi is actually doing that. Marginalizing the Muslims, unify the country around a Hindu ideology.

But you can’t do that and remain a democracy.

 

[voyager1]

Modi is actually doing that. Marginalizing the Muslims, unify the country around a Hindu ideology.

But you can’t do that and remain a democracy.

Agreed. Modi is trying to do by utilising Hindu nationalism. don't think it will end well though

 

[timepass]

Modi is actually doing that. Marginalizing the Muslims, unify the country around a Hindu ideology.

But you can’t do that and remain a democracy.

indeed..... this how he came in power both times, firstly he committed deadly Ahmadabad killings (A huge massacre of Muslims) at when he was CM and second time he created the drama of surgical strike by using their Armed forces but was failed badly but his media sold that narrative successfully among their local population and won the elections.....