Indian Economics Thread II

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Lethe

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The silly thing is that India does actually produce more vehicles than most other major manufacturing countries such as Germany and South Korea, and production will surely only increase going forward. It should be simple enough to paint a narrative of ongoing growth and development to warm the hearts of nationalist types. But no, instead ministers have to come out with ridiculous claims like this one.

Top 10 Countries by 2022 Vehicle Production:

China 27,020,615
United States 10,060,339
Japan 7,835,519
India 5,456,857
South Korea 3,757,049
Germany 3,677,820
Mexico 3,509,072
Brazil 2,369,769
Spain 2,219,462
Thailand 1,883,515
 

proelite

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The silly thing is that India does actually produce more vehicles than most other major manufacturing countries such as Germany and South Korea, and production will surely only increase going forward. It should be simple enough to paint a narrative of ongoing growth and development to warm the hearts of nationalist types. But no, instead ministers have to come out with ridiculous claims like this one.

Top 10 Countries by 2022 Vehicle Production:

China 27,020,615
United States 10,060,339
Japan 7,835,519
India 5,456,857
South Korea 3,757,049
Germany 3,677,820
Mexico 3,509,072
Brazil 2,369,769
Spain 2,219,462
Thailand 1,883,515

Reminds me of when the technology minister said that with $10 billion India would succeed in semiconductors whereas China had failed for decades and hundreds of billions. o_O

In his defense, it's better than Hindu fatalism. The BJP can be tea party on crack at times.
 

coolgod

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The silly thing is that India does actually produce more vehicles than most other major manufacturing countries such as Germany and South Korea, and production will surely only increase going forward. It should be simple enough to paint a narrative of ongoing growth and development to warm the hearts of nationalist types. But no, instead ministers have to come out with ridiculous claims like this one.

Top 10 Countries by 2022 Vehicle Production:

China 27,020,615
United States 10,060,339
Japan 7,835,519
India 5,456,857
South Korea 3,757,049
Germany 3,677,820
Mexico 3,509,072
Brazil 2,369,769
Spain 2,219,462
Thailand 1,883,515
Do you know what India considers a vehicle and what Germany considers a vehicle?

Yours chart is akin to the chart which says India's road network size is #2 in the world, just slivers below the US.
 

tacoburger

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South asia is fucked from climate change. The heatwaves are gonna make life hell and basically unlivable for large parts of the year, it's already a large burden on quality of life in the area. Let me tell you, heat fucks you up good, it's like living with a constant 20kg weight strapped to your back. You need vastly more water, your physical strength and endurance drops like a rock, you are at constant risk of heat stroke even from minor physical activity, people tend to stay indoors, people get more violent, crops and livestock die, you can't think properly, there's loads of energy being used for air-conditioning, infrastructure wears down quicker due to heat expansion, food rots quicker, basically all machinery like engines and power plants work less efficiently in high heat and breaks down faster.

You simply cannot work in high heat, your body is literally breaking down on you, I can easily jog for an hour at night, but doing it for 5 mins in the mid-day sun and I start to get dizzy, forcing myself to jog for an hour in high heat will literally kill me. Not to mention the mass casualty events when the heat exceeds the wet bulb temperature. You can engineer away earthquakes, floods, cold snaps, typhoons and wildfires and other natural disasters to some extent, but it's near impossible to do so for heat and drought.

Bangladesh is extremely vulnerable to sea level rise, a minor rise in sea level means tens of million displaced and probably fleeing to India as refugees. South asia also gets a large portion of it's water from Himalayan glaciers, which are slowly going away and who know what the changing climate will do to the Monsoon. Just a single year without the Monsoon and you'll be seeing instant massive famine. India has more people than China, but a third of the land to house them in. Add in the religious/ethnic conflicts, heat stress, the India/Pakistan conflict, the nukes and the increase topical diseases and you got a brewing storm of the century right there.

India is falling into the same trap as Russia, they truly are deluded enough to think that they are a superpower and that they can go in it alone with some minor support from the West and not needing the support of the country that controls a large chunk of their water supply. And they are in the same trap as most of the West, they are unable to see past the next election cycle and unable to see the coming climate disaster that going to hit the region, this beef with China isn't sustainable, not when you're struggling to feed your people amid 45 degree heat and ever decreasing stable source of freshwater and multiple ethnic and religious conflicts among your neighbors.

If India was smart, they would buckle down with China and all their neighbors to work towards just surviving the coming climate disruption. But because nationalistic population tends to win elections, they will probably just double down and focus trying to combat China and becoming a superpower until it's too late. Imagine having bad relations with the country that controls a large portion of your stable water supply.

Funny how the mainstream media focus on how China is totally collapsing for real guys and nobody is talking about how it's biologically impossible for the human body to survive the 50+ degree heatwaves that are already starting to appear in south asia.
 

henrik

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The silly thing is that India does actually produce more vehicles than most other major manufacturing countries such as Germany and South Korea, and production will surely only increase going forward. It should be simple enough to paint a narrative of ongoing growth and development to warm the hearts of nationalist types. But no, instead ministers have to come out with ridiculous claims like this one.

Top 10 Countries by 2022 Vehicle Production:

China 27,020,615
United States 10,060,339
Japan 7,835,519
India 5,456,857
South Korea 3,757,049
Germany 3,677,820
Mexico 3,509,072
Brazil 2,369,769
Spain 2,219,462
Thailand 1,883,515

China should aim at 10 times Japan's amount of production, as Chinese market is potentially 10 times that of Japan.
 

Lethe

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China should aim at 10 times Japan's amount of production, as Chinese market is potentially 10 times that of Japan.

The size of the domestic market is not a limiting factor, if it were then South Korea would be not be one of the world's largest automotive production centres. Japan exports ~55% of its production volume, compared to 12-13% for both India and China (all figures 2022). Having a very large domestic market is obviously useful as economies of scale can be established domestically before unleashing on the export market. On the other hand, a large internal market can also be an insular one as design, development, marketing decisions can be made to suit that market at the expense of more tailored solutions for export markets. See the American "full-size" "trucks" that are everywhere in America but have little relevance outside that nation, or the Chinese corporate habit of spinning off a new brand every fortnight, which makes little sense for export markets where establishing brand recognition and value is the first and most daunting hurdle to clear.
 
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But the said convergence (if the optimistic calculation comes to pass) hinges/assumes that China's current challenges remain intact/stasis? I am not quite sure what these "BHARAT" experts are trying to show or project to its western benefactors and potential investors. Unless the people they're trying to impress are nothing but a bunch of illiterate, coked up retards.
 

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INDIA'S service sector - Call CENTERS - workers ought to resigned themselves with the increasing demand for automation and disruption with their industry. How is that going to sustain and provide jobs to many young Indians who were focused on service led sector economies rather than manufacturing? And why is this topic not being given its due attention in government and the private sectors of Bharat? Instead, the country has been hyping itself too much aided by the pom poms from their fake friends of the west.
 

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INDIA'S service sector - Call CENTERS - workers ought to resigned themselves with the increasing demand for automation and disruption with their industry. How is that going to sustain and provide jobs to many young Indians who were focused on service led sector economies rather than manufacturing? And why is this topic not being given its due attention in government and the private sectors of Bharat? Instead, the country has been hyping itself too much aided by the pom poms from their fake friends of the west.

Yawn. Let me know when ChatGPT can replace the scam callers.
 
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