India, Russia to build jet version of BrahMos

Ok, now klubmarcus if you dont have anything serious to say, dont waste our time to useless stuff like this. There is now extra points given of high posting rates. All apreciation that is given in this forum comes from contest not the ammount of your posts.

if this things goes around for too long, somebody is going to get pissed, and if its me....well im not the guy you want to get pissed of, got it?

KlubMarcus said:

The US Navy will shoot down those new missiles because they will mis-identify them as low-flying supersonic attack aircraft. :rofl:

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what does the US have to do with brahamos !!!ff

also the yakhonet is a very advance missile thats designed to replaced the sunburn so no I dont see how its easily destoryed

darth sidious said:

what does the US have to do with brahamos !!!ff

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Easy, it's called Foreign Military Sales. The Brahmos folks are going to put that missile on the world market. That means that the US military will see it as a potential threat.

also the yakhonet is a very advance missile thats designed to replaced the sunburn so no I dont see how its easily destoryed

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A supersonic cruise missile will look like a small supersonic fighter from a lower rate power out on a suicide mission. The US Navy will respond accordingly. They'll shoot it down with aircraft if they are on station, or with missiles/guns from ships. A metal object flying at supersonic speed, radiating radar waves and heat will be detected over water. Why do you think that the Russians and Chinese are looking to use a salvo attack? They know we can shoot the missiles down! They're hoping that one gets through the screen.

thank you for tell us what a missile is someing we all know

I dont see india going to war with us soon so you point its moot

as for the missile yes some will be shot down you launch more to make sure the carrier its dead

A supersonic cruise missile will look like a small supersonic fighter from a lower rate power out on a suicide mission. The US Navy will respond accordingly. They'll shoot it down with aircraft if they are on station, or with missiles/guns from ships. A metal object flying at supersonic speed, radiating radar waves and heat will be detected over water. Why do you think that the Russians and Chinese are looking to use a salvo attack? They know we can shoot the missiles down! They're hoping that one gets through the screen.

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If you make claims like this, you should first pay a little more of how Yakhont, Moskit or other supersonic missiles works...I'm curious to know, what exact "small supersonic jet" has similar radar cross-sections like the 8 x 0.7 meter Yakhont/Brahmoss?

darth sidious said:

thank you for tell us what a missile is someing we all know

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Glad to be of service!

I dont see india going to war with us soon so you point its moot

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Wrong, you haven't addressed Foreign Military Sales of the weapon system. So my point isn't moot. See, it says they're going to export the missile. So that means the US military will look at the missile as a potential threat.

as for the missile yes some will be shot down you launch more to make sure the carrier its dead

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Exactly, so they know we can shoot the missile down with ease. That's why they launch missiles as a swarm. Do you think they are launching multiple missiles because of confidence in their system? It's exactly the opposite, they launch several because they aren't confident.

Gollevainen said:

If you make claims like this, you should first pay a little more of how Yakhont, Moskit or other supersonic missiles works...I'm curious to know, what exact "small supersonic jet" has similar radar cross-sections like the 8 x 0.7 meter Yakhont/Brahmoss?

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At those speeds and engagement times, it won't matter. It will look like a small target flying at supersonic speeds. The US Navy will fire at it immediately thinking it's an attacking aircraft.

The missile isn't supposed to attack head-on all the time. It's supposed to turn to evade as well as to search, that will present it's lengthwise profile to the radar beams. US Navy radar can detect a submarine periscope so detecting a missile with a large amount of doppler shift due to speed will be easy.

Both the Yakhont and the Brahmos bring serious challenges in naval missile defense. Their speed, range, guidance packages, and deployability are impressive. I actually believe that ESSM and RAM would be very good systems to deal with them, but that approach has some limited viability. The ESSM would be able to intercept both for sure because the ESSM is faster (by at least a Mach), more maneuvarable, and has the engagement envelope for this type of intercept. SM-2 has proven reliable against super-sonic sea skimmers like these also.

Assuming the attack was feasible, alot would depend on detection and reaction of defending platform, and volume of attacking vs. defending platforms.

Going away from the "who-would-win" aspects, I believe Brahmos/Yakhont are the best of the best of anti-ship missile weapons out there. It's looking more and more that India is going to be able to deliver their Brahmos much better than Russia can deliver a Yakhont however. India's strike capabilities definitely increased exponentially with the addition of this weapon.

Sea Dog said:

The ESSM would be able to intercept both for sure because the ESSM is faster (by at least a Mach), more maneuvarable, and has the engagement envelope for this type of intercept. SM-2 has proven reliable against super-sonic sea skimmers like these also.

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Since the missile is on the selling block, then the US Navy can get it and shoot it back at the enemy just for fun. :rofl: The bad guys are going to p00p a brick sideways when their own missile tech is headed in their direction.

Assuming the attack was feasible, alot would depend on detection and reaction of defending platform, and volume of attacking vs. defending platforms.

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ESSM is stored two per container on a VLS and RAM is usually on a 10+ round launcher. So there will be plenty of defense missiles to shoot down the last few cruise missiles that get past the long/medium range weapons.

It's looking more and more that India is going to be able to deliver their Brahmos much better than Russia can deliver a Yakhont however. India's strike capabilities definitely increased exponentially with the addition of this weapon.

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The US Navy probably has several Brahmos & Yakhont systems (or specs) on order via front companies for technical evaluation. And if they don't sell it to us, we're going to steal it. Weapons makers aren't stupid though. They are going to sell the weapon system to the enemy in one hand, and sell the detailed specifications to the USA in the other. So the manufacturer makes money hand over fist, the USA gets a bargain, and the bad guys have a junk weapon system they paid $$$ for.

I'm not so sure that the Yakhont/Brahmos sytems are junk. By specification, they are very capable and lethal missile systems. Probably the most sophisticated anti-ship weapons out there. Like all missiles, there are ways to defend against them. I'm certain ESSM, RAM, and SM-2 would work in this regard. But at the same time, I'd be nervous if one of these missiles were launched in my direction. If one got through, it would be very ugly. It would not be wise to underestimate these missiles at all.