India, Russia to build jet version of BrahMos

MIGleader said:

i know which planes were desinged for what. but based on the isize of the mig, it really shouldnt have more multirole power than an f-16 or j-10, making it only a modest attacker.

2.2 tons is not nifty. its over a third of the weight most planes can handle.


the yahkont may be early 80s, but the russians probably keep upgrading its seeker to modern standards.

Click to expand...

"Power"? Do you know what your talking about? What was once done with heavy free fall dumb bombs is now done with less precison guided munitions. The MiG-29M/K can do just about everything it requires of AoG operations. Weakness is obviously the stress and airframe not built for ground sweep operations. But hey since it can deliever missiles and LGB whats the prob? Tonage is low in comarison to its size but today the meaning of multi-role is really just on avonics fits as Golly mentioned. The F-16 originally wasn't even concived to deliever LGB and now look at it.
But on topic it would be in the best interest to include the an ability to use Barhmos on the Su-32/34. It'll only require some small mods to use it.
Also it can also be used against land. The InA purchassed a LA version of the missile. Obviously to use against bunkers and ofcourse against Pakistan.
If Pakistan hopes to counter the missile they need some fast reaction and long range SAMs. Having interceptors and manpads aren't enough. Even though Pakistan could detect the missile with AWACs and AEW their interceptors would have seriously diffuculte time taking out a Mach 2 missile even in high altitudes unless it has some serious SAM capability. Like wise the Indian military sees the Babur as less of a threat since its low altitude can be countered by fast reactions SAMs and intercepted by fighters. Personally I believe Pakistan will stick to SRBM since their is less chance of intercepting these and something that drops a 500 kg warhead will definitly ruin anyones day. The Babur for the PN is the right choice.

you dont see the f-16 carrying harpoons or heavier attack munitions. if the mig-29 is simply going to carry lgbs, no problem. but carrying any more than 2 brahmos will put the plane at high risk, especially limiting its manuverabilty.

MIGleader said:

you dont see the f-16 carrying harpoons or heavier attack munitions. if the mig-29 is simply going to carry lgbs, no problem. but carrying any more than 2 brahmos will put the plane at high risk, especially limiting its manuverabilty.

Click to expand...

The F-16 doesn't have a AShM because its not in service with the USN. Also a LGB isn't much lighter than a Harpoon. If you wanna know the F-16 has a 6 ton payload.

jatt said:

The F-16 doesn't have a AShM because its not in service with the USN. Also a LGB isn't much lighter than a Harpoon. If you wanna know the F-16 has a 6 ton payload.

Click to expand...

Actually, Taiwan's F-16's can carry Harpoons. The problem is that the Harpoons take away much of the F-16's manuverability.

Just about everything loses a lot of agility when it has a large payload. New aircraft like Typhoon, Rafale carry some weapons under the body. Flankers loose a lot of agility with its wings loaded same as F-16 and MiG-29. When designing the F-15 this was kept in mind and most of the weapons carried by it and F-14 are under the body. Same with Mirage 2000, and to some extend the MiG-31.

my point exactly. so, if a mig loses its manuverabilty from carrying brahmos, one of the migs greatest advantages have been lost. there arnt really that many migs that can act as escorts, and escorts can do minimal against a sam.

so why doesnt india fit the brahmos on the tu-95 instead?

What is wrong with you?
Firs off all fighters,attackers loose agility when they use a heavy payload. But nonethe less even when carrying te air launched Switchbladeit still looses agility even more so since they are attache to its wet hardpoint on the wings. This is also a good time to mention the vunerability a aircraft has when it has a payload so large, in other words its easier for the interceptor to engage it. Since you wanna know, this will give the MiG-29 exellent AShM capability from a reasonable distance. Also the MiG-29 can little against a SAM in the first place unless its dystroying a battery if thats what you mean. But OTH the MiG-29K will no doubt have a jammers, the same to be fitted on the LCA and probabiliy newer then the once fitted on the Su-30MKI.
BTW the Tu-142 is the other platform for Barhmos and maybe perhaps the BackFires.

i didnt know that india had backfires.

no need for the attack. im just constructive analyzing the planese abilities. jammers wont help too much, since most missles can home on jam. but why not a dedicated attacker, with mig escorts? wouldnt that be better?

A Carrier has limits on the numbers of aircraft in can send into the air at a time. Thats why.

The US Navy will shoot down those new missiles because they will mis-identify them as low-flying supersonic attack aircraft. :rofl: