India, Russia to build jet version of BrahMos

crazyinsane105

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The benefit India gets out of the Brahmos is that it is cheaper than the Club since it's build in India. It will also give the Indian armed forces a huge punch as well. However, since India didn't contribute a whole lot to the actual project, it's doubtful that India will be able to make a better Brahmos version by itself.
 

ajaybhutani

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tphuang said:
What did India exactly do in the project? I have my doubts that the Indian seeker is better in quality. Has India managed to develop any indigenous AAM or AShM by itself?
if it isnt then why is russia still promoting brahmos project and investing further in it.
As I mentionned before and a million time afterward, having supersonic hi profile does not help since it still can be shot down in that profile. Club won't be detected until it's within its 60-65 KM terminal phase, so the fact that it was subsonic is irrelevant.
which naval defence system can shoot down a M3 cruise missile. ?
 

darth sidious

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ajaybhutani said:
if it isnt then why is russia still promoting brahmos project and investing further in it.

beacause the russians want indians to fund their own reseach into super sonic anti-ship missile tech

ajaybhutani said:
which naval defence system can shoot down a M3 cruise missile. ?

the american was ageis designed for such an attack
 
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crazyinsane105

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Well, the Russians are still pursuing the project because of Indian funding, nothing else. Why would the Russians be rebuilding the Yakhnot all over again when they have better missiles like the Club?
 

jatt

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What did India exactly do in the project? I have my doubts that the Indian seeker is better in quality. Has India managed to develop any indigenous AAM or AShM by itself?
Not yet but hey the AKASH, Trishul, NAG are ready to go. So tell me why InN would want to remove a better quality Russian seeker? You don't exactly seeing the Indian military going to second rate products do you?
As I mentionned before and a million time afterward, having supersonic hi profile does not help since it still can be shot down in that profile. Club won't be detected until it's within its 60-65 KM terminal phase, so the fact that it was subsonic is irrelevant.
Irrelevent? If the launch of the missile is detected and using Tercom the missile heads for the target area, what happens when the target has already moved? You aren't gonna have a helecopter targeting for the entire course of the flight. If the helecopter is seen it's shot down and the target would have figured a AShM is on its way. Thats why it matters.
Also with out SPY-1 I doubt anything else has the effiecency to detect a AShM 100~km out like you were probabily thinking. Its also a mixed trajectory tphuang. Means if the enemy AD threat is known you could program a flight path.
India have never built a anti-ship missile by its self before what makes the indian seeker better the the original Russian

infact most of the brahmos was developed before the soviet union fell apart the russian later called it the yakhont the export version to india is known as the brahmos
But they have built seekers before.
also the indians did not make the gudiance system as Russia threaten to withhold the lunch code if india make it by them self they would not have had that problem

the brahmos is a very good missile but its almost 100% russian so no its not such a great achivement for india
I read the article and it sounds fishy in the first place. The guidence system is something both Russian and Indian sources claim to be Indian. Perhaps its wrong reporting but what article?
beacause the russians want indians to fund their own reseach into super sonic anti-ship missile tech
Indians to fund it? They (Russia) are also funding it. Think about. Russia has little knowledge to gain from the airlaunched Barhmos. Hell they already are masters at it. Its just a waste of time for the Russians to develop airlaunched Barhmos and the sciencetests will no doubt do the tests in India. But what could they profit from? Like I said 70-80% is Russian. Export potiental of the missile is huge! How many nations around the world use Flankers? Interesting in purchasing Amur? and tell me how many nations actually have the capability to defend against a Barhmos? Not a whole lot. Its also a good replacement for Moskit IMO.
Well, the Russians are still pursuing the project because of Indian funding, nothing else. Why would the Russians be rebuilding the Yakhnot all over again when they have better missiles like the Club?
For one the Klub stands less of chance against a credible Aegies type ship than the Barhmos. The Barhmos like the Granit is intellegent, basically doing the same Salvo attack in flight leads and zig zags as the Klub and Moskit. In order to attack the USN one would seriously need something fast in in huge numbers.
Now apperantly not just Indians but Russians are claiming a lot about the Barhmos. You don't see the same hype for Klub.
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Yakhont ASM system enjoys enhanced combat effectiveness thanks to the missile’s high supersonic speed, flexible flight profiles, small radar cross-section and autonomous jam-resistant guidance system combining inertial navigation system and radar seeker. After target acquisition the missile operates in fully automatic mode.
Low RCS? Is that anything claimed by the Klub? Seems the LOW RCS is claimed by both sides. Why not. Money had to be spend somewhere.
And check this.
MAKS1999_MiG-29SMT_02.jpg

MiG-29K anyone?
Also gotta tell you that the Granit/Yokhont and Moskit where created to engage American Carrier Battle groups. You tell me with AWACS would good is lo lo flight? Flying at subsonic speeds and being engaged by F-18's. After all the Kursk was meant to engage the USN with Granits. Pure speed when being engaged with Salvo attack gave the missile a higher chance for hitting a ship than being shot down early.;)
 

darth sidious

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the yakhont other wise known as the brahmos to indian is orignaly
developed by the soviets to replace the moskit. the vulcan was to replace the granite

I am not doubt indian ability but the brahmos its just another verson of the yakhont good for attacking ships but not much else the club can target many others

yes the Russian have air lunched ashm but they are all to large to fit on flanker size planes

so this also benfits the russians as for the lunch code its Russia's way of telling india to buy the Armur sub if indian designed the gudiance them they should have the lunch code already

the Russian already have the yakhont to export dont need another
 

MIGleader

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jatt, i wouldnt get too carried away by the mig-29k. its not really that multirole. the mig-29 wasnt designed to be so, and the payload is rather limited compared to the f-18 and su-33kub.

i have my boubts on seeker quality too, especially whne its india vs russia. the indian military has been known to go for less capable weapons when its on a tight budget, such as the sandbox missles on the delhi. considering future carrier building, lca, a requirement for 149 more fighters, and 5 different missle projects, the budget must be really tight.
 

Gollevainen

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the mig-29 wasnt designed to be so,

...and Su-33 was?...Actually it's another way around. MiG-29 was designed to be frontline multirole fighter and Su-27 as a long range interceptor. All multirole fighters are designed to be air-to-air combat fighters from the basic airframe, cos the requirements in that field are much bigger. The multirole ability comes mainly form the avionics and changing them basicly means that in theory every fighter design can be made multirole...in theory.

such as the sandbox missles on the delhi.

You mean Delhi carryes 16 Bazalts? same ammount that in Slava class??? You know that sandbox is the NATO code name for SS-N-12...those missiles onboard delhi are Kh-35 Urans, SS-N-25 Swichblade....
 

jatt

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I aagree with Golly. If the Flacrum can use Kryptons it can use other AShM. A single air launched Barhmos wieghs a nifty 2.2 tons. In the centerfuelsalage it may be able to carry it off a short take off deck (with some protection).
Also the Yokhont was how old? Early 80's? Well then the seeker would probabili y have to be new so it could meet Indian demands, so what better way then to make they new seeker in India.
 

MIGleader

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i know which planes were desinged for what. but based on the isize of the mig, it really shouldnt have more multirole power than an f-16 or j-10, making it only a modest attacker.

2.2 tons is not nifty. its over a third of the weight most planes can handle.


the yahkont may be early 80s, but the russians probably keep upgrading its seeker to modern standards.
 
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