I don't entirely disagree with what you have said but I still think you are dismissing the importance of the people who are "not political". I don't care about being liked by those who hate me. All i'm saying is it's wise to not give reason for those who are neutral to turn against us because the people who hate us have extremely strong propaganda. Get real and live in the real world. Stop thinking as if Chinese and China are surely going to be "top dog" and that it will bring even more hate and opposing. Things don't need to end up becoming the way you are suggesting. Stop thinking in terms of enemy and opposition. This way, the entire world will turn against China sooner rather than later.
India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan
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I don't entirely disagree with what you have said but I still think you are dismissing the importance of the people who are "not political". I don't care about being liked by those who hate me. All i'm saying is it's wise to not give reason for those who are neutral to turn against us because the people who hate us have extremely strong propaganda. Get real and live in the real world. Stop thinking as if Chinese and China are surely going to be "top dog" and that it will bring even more hate and opposing. Things don't need to end up becoming the way you are suggesting. Stop thinking in terms of enemy and opposition. This way, the entire world will turn against China sooner rather than later.
manqiangrexue
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Listen to this one more time, because you obviously didn't get it. How many people have you seen who are neutral to China who actually care about politics? I haven't seen any because that's basically like being a stock broker who doesn't have an opinion on Wall St. The people who are neutral to China don't care about politics; they care only about business, so why would they care about this China-India scuffle? They don't.
They're not "ending up" the way I've said; they've always been the way I said. Westerners fear Chinese power; they want China to be weak. You cannot appease that unless you disarm yourself. It's a wasted effort to try anything else. How hard is that for you to understand? In your fantasy, it's possible for these Western Caucasian countries to support China displacing the US as primary superpower?? I live in the real world; you don't, or at least you have some beta attitude with people liking you. Usian Bolt doesn't care if people don't like him because he beat their champs and tore apart their records. Neither does Michael Phelps. In the real world that I live in, China didn't care in the South China Sea and that's why we saw such Chinese success there (which, in my mind, was far more provocative a move than killing intruders). The strong just know how to be strong and be themselves, and eventually, they become dominant and accepted, loved, celebrated as the champions. The weak always worry and walk on tiptoes afraid to offend people or make enemies. I think we both know that China has no interest in the latter. If that's your attitude, then duly noted, but it's not how China operates or we would have seen Chinese concessions all around.
China's not guaranteed to become the strongest power, yeah, and nobody's guaranteed to wake up again the next time they go to sleep. Do people start acting like it might be their last day? Act like a winner, and you might have a chance to be a winner, but act like a loser, and the only way to go is down.
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manqiangrexue
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That's Doctor Alpha Big Man, thank you
manqiangrexue
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And you were right to think that. Vital is comprehension for how to succeed and overcome, not how to be small, beg for love from those who only wish you harm, and ultimately defeat yourself. If you thought the later was vital for academic success, then you were mistaken.
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How is being liked as an individual the same as a country and everything it stands for being accepted or treated as hostile? You have some really deep troubling racist issues you should sort out. Who is this invisible enemy of the Chinese people you are referring to? Are all opposing ideas to yours immediately worthy of mockery and dismissal? Calling me beta even after I specifically described my concerns about Chinese policies and refuted the claim of me just wanting acceptance.... lol okay. When have I demonstrated a need for acceptance from others who I don't care for and hate me anyway? You have been jumping to a lot of conclusions probably based on your general mistrust of these caucasian nations. Grow up dr. idiot. What do you have a doctorate in anyway? From where? sounds like a joke. You seem to have a feeble intellect. Deep down you are just another chauvinist.
manqiangrexue
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"Racism" is founded on observations of the world but I'm not racist against Caucasians. Russia is a Caucasian nation but it is China's ally and I would recommend going to war to defend Russia if it were existentially threatened. You have confused a strong political backing towards China and its allies with racism. That said, if China's challenges on the international stage are given to it mainly by Caucasian Western nations, then I consider them enemies/rivals of China. Putting it any other way (eg. friends with problems to resolve) is just sugar-coating a bad situation to be politically amicable and I'm not interested in that. Calling these nations invisible clearly demonstrates you have no grasp of international affairs.
I received my doctorate in human genetics at a top 20 university in the US. If you think I'm intellectually feeble, chances are it's because your level is too low to comprehend my thinking.
You have always demonstrated that you seek approval from your rivals, in every post. That you sometimes sprinkle a "I don't look to be loved by those who hate me" in there does nothing to blunt what you have shown and demonstrated. It's like saying you want all blacks and gays out of the country but then you add a "I'm not bigoted though" at the end. But all this is assuming that you are Chinese. If you are actually a white person who maybe majors in Asians studies (and who thinks there should be a peaceful Asia with a strong US influence) then I can completely understand why you're saying everything you're saying and it would be meaningless to share anything further with you.
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solarz
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Countries are not people.
People have an innate need to be loved and to have meaningful relationships with each other. Acting on pure self-interests is detrimental to that need.
Countries, on the other hand, do not have that need.
Countries exist to serve its people. The people's interests are served when their country is independent and secure. For some countries, that goal is accomplished by lying low and staying under the radar. For other countries, lying low is not an option.
China, by virtue of its geography and demographics, is the center of gravity in Asia. When China is weak, everyone tries to prey on it. The only way China can achieve security and independence is to be as strong and assertive as it can.
I don't know how much of an experience you have with western coverage of China. For those of us who have studied those coverages in depth, it is clear that no matter what China does, western media will always portray it in a negative light.
It's not about what China does or doesn't do. It's about what the West aims to achieve with their propaganda.
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Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying's Regular Press Conference on August 22, 2017
points related to this thread were:
Q: Yesterday, India's Home Minister Rajnath Singh said that the solution to the Dong Lang standoff will be found soon and he hoped that China would take a positive step in resolving this issue. He also said India has not attacked any country so far and none does it have any ambition to expand its border. What is your comment?
A: I have noted the relevant report. China cherishes and firmly upholds peace. Meanwhile, China is resolute in safeguarding national sovereignty and territorial integrity and will not allow any country or anyone to endanger its territorial sovereignty under any excuse or pretext.
We have said many times that the prerequisite and basis for the settlement of the Indian border troops' illegal crossing of the boundary in Dong Lang is the unconditional withdrawal of all the trespassing Indian personnel and equipment to the Indian side of the boundary. I have noted that Minister Singh said that the Indian side has not attack any country and has no ambition to expand its boundary. However, the fact we have seen is that the Indian side illegally crossed the mutually recognized boundary that has been abided by the two sides for nearly 130 years and so far its border troops still stay in the territory of China and it even fabricate all sorts of excuses to justify its action. We hope India can match its words with its deeds, immediately pull back all the trespassing personnel and equipment and take concrete and positive steps to correct its previous wrongdoing.
Q: According to the report of the Times of India, on August 21, an anonymous Indian official said that recently India discussed with Russia its standoff with China in Dong Lang and reiterated its position that by constructing a road, China was unilaterally changing the status quo and this had serious security implications for India. The Indian side is looking for support from Russia. What is your comment?
A: Dong Lang is indisputably China's territory. The Indian side illegally crossed the boundary under the pretext of its so-called concern about China's construction of road. This excuse is ridiculous, the nature of this incident is serious and the fact is there for all to see. The only prerequisite and basis for resolving this incident is that the Indian side immediately and unconditionally withdraw all the trespassing personnel and equipment.
We can imagine that if we connive in this absurd logic of India, does it mean that if someone detests the activities in his neighbor's house, he can break into the neighbor's house at will and linger in it? If we follow the logic of India, does it mean that if China believes that the large-scale infrastructure construction in the boundary area on the part of India poses a threat to China's security, it can be justified for us to send troops to cross the boundary to enter India to stop it? If so, the whole world would descend into chaos and the norms governing international relations will become useless. So far, China has exercised utmost restraint and we can show our utmost patience and tolerance, but we hope the Indian side can adopt the responsible attitude of abiding by the law and respecting the fact that a major country should have to make reasonable and wise judgment and decision.
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying's Regular Press Conference on August 22, 2017
points related to this thread were:
Q: Yesterday, India's Home Minister Rajnath Singh said that the solution to the Dong Lang standoff will be found soon and he hoped that China would take a positive step in resolving this issue. He also said India has not attacked any country so far and none does it have any ambition to expand its border. What is your comment?
A: I have noted the relevant report. China cherishes and firmly upholds peace. Meanwhile, China is resolute in safeguarding national sovereignty and territorial integrity and will not allow any country or anyone to endanger its territorial sovereignty under any excuse or pretext.
We have said many times that the prerequisite and basis for the settlement of the Indian border troops' illegal crossing of the boundary in Dong Lang is the unconditional withdrawal of all the trespassing Indian personnel and equipment to the Indian side of the boundary. I have noted that Minister Singh said that the Indian side has not attack any country and has no ambition to expand its boundary. However, the fact we have seen is that the Indian side illegally crossed the mutually recognized boundary that has been abided by the two sides for nearly 130 years and so far its border troops still stay in the territory of China and it even fabricate all sorts of excuses to justify its action. We hope India can match its words with its deeds, immediately pull back all the trespassing personnel and equipment and take concrete and positive steps to correct its previous wrongdoing.
Q: According to the report of the Times of India, on August 21, an anonymous Indian official said that recently India discussed with Russia its standoff with China in Dong Lang and reiterated its position that by constructing a road, China was unilaterally changing the status quo and this had serious security implications for India. The Indian side is looking for support from Russia. What is your comment?
A: Dong Lang is indisputably China's territory. The Indian side illegally crossed the boundary under the pretext of its so-called concern about China's construction of road. This excuse is ridiculous, the nature of this incident is serious and the fact is there for all to see. The only prerequisite and basis for resolving this incident is that the Indian side immediately and unconditionally withdraw all the trespassing personnel and equipment.
We can imagine that if we connive in this absurd logic of India, does it mean that if someone detests the activities in his neighbor's house, he can break into the neighbor's house at will and linger in it? If we follow the logic of India, does it mean that if China believes that the large-scale infrastructure construction in the boundary area on the part of India poses a threat to China's security, it can be justified for us to send troops to cross the boundary to enter India to stop it? If so, the whole world would descend into chaos and the norms governing international relations will become useless. So far, China has exercised utmost restraint and we can show our utmost patience and tolerance, but we hope the Indian side can adopt the responsible attitude of abiding by the law and respecting the fact that a major country should have to make reasonable and wise judgment and decision.
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