India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan

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Hendrik_2000

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Here is link to the incident and excerpt If anything it is the Indian who stood by doing nothing
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About a dozen aid workers and UN staff housed at the Terrain hotel compound
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on 11 July. Peacekeepers just over 1km away failed to come to their aid despite multiple requests from China, Ethiopia, India and Nepal for forces to be dispatched.

The report noted that “each Unmiss contingent turned down the request, indicating their troops were fully committed”. During the attack, “civilians were subjected to and witnessed gross human rights violations, including murder, intimidation, sexual violence and acts amounting to torture perpetrated by armed government soldiers,” said the report.

The investigation, led by retired Dutch general Patrick Cammaert, was unable to verify allegations that peacekeepers did nothing to help women who were raped during the heavy fighting.

But in a later incident on 2 September, a woman was assaulted near the entrance to a UN compound “in plain sight” of the peacekeepers, the report said.

“Despite the woman’s screams, they did not react” and other UN staff intervened, the report added.

A
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on the violence in Juba found nothing new in the UN’s flawed response. The organisation previously investigated a February incident in which peacekeepers from
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, India and Rwanda stood by as government soldiers attacked another protection of civilians site in the northern town of Malakal, killing at least 30 people.
 

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BS I never heard about it and the western press never report it
If that is true the western press will be all over it. There were no action on UN peace keeping force because the commanding officer I believe he is Kenyan general refuse to approve the participation of UN forces in fire fight He was release of duty afterward
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Never trust anything that come out of India. Like this meeting that never occured
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Dokalam standoff: Indian Army and Chinese PLA meet that never happened
By
Shaurya Karanbir Gurung
, ET Bureau|
Updated: Aug 13, 2017, 11.55 PM IS ..

NEW DELHI: A crucial meeting between the Indian Army and Chinese PLA in Nathu La, which was scheduled to take place on Friday to defuse the Dokalam standoff, didn’t happen. A senior government official said: “The arrangements were made for the meeting from our side, but the Chinese didn’t show up. They (China) were undecided on attending it.”

ET had earlier reported that a high-level meeting between the Major General-level officers of the Indian Army and PLA was scheduled to take pl ..

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It's sad how the media can make up B.S. with little to no repercussion.
 

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Another interesting article from Bhutanese blogger

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Many wise words were spoken by late Lyonpo Dawa Tsering. His Excellency was the Foreign Minister of Bhutan for nearly three decades. A learned leader who encompassed qualities of much intelligence and stately adroitness. I particularly recall his explanatory submission as Foreign Minister to the honourable members of the National Assembly of Bhutan who were perplexed and frustrated by many unfriendly acts of the Government of India under Emergency Rule (1975 to 1977). His Excellency said that when an authoritarian Government is in power, that nation also tends to adopt an overbearing attitude towards the weaker neighbours. Bhutan must exercise political skill and fortitude. How so very true! May His Excellency rest in Peace.

Fortunately, by the infinite Grace of our Deities, the leadership our Great 4th King His Majesty Jigme Singye Wangchuck and wise counsels, Bhutan warded off the fate that befell upon Sikkim just before Emergency rule in India. It was closer than a dangerous state of affairs. I think His Majesty King Jigme Khesar Namgyal Wangchuk had an apt description of that state in the 1970s during the public constitutional consultations in 2007. The King put it as , " like a leaf tossing on a swollen river ". His Majesty who was not born then, must have learned of the crisis of the 1970s from his illustrious father.

India is once again ready to flex her national muscle in the region. And each time that happens, the testing guinea pig is Bhutan. This is what happened at Doklam.The NDA Government headed by BJP is at its zenith of power in India. The Indian Prime Minister His Excellency Narendra Modi is sweeping the whole of India under his charismatic personality backed by the Merlin type of political wizard Shri Amit Shah. The combination of the two is recording astonishing political history in India. To the historians later, it might be a period of dusk black or dust gold.

This time India decided Doklam as a pretext to declare Bhutan a "Protectorate state" and attempted to establish complete hegemony over our Kingdom. China was not the ultimate objective of Indian military adventurism at Doklam. It was Bhutan. Fortunately, China stood firmly against Bhutan being converted into solely an Indian buffer cushion and protectorate state. Thus when so definitely and decisively confronted by China, India had to decide to withdraw and await perhaps another favourable day to overwhelm Bhutan.

In public domain, Bhutan stood stoically silent this time. The behind the scene had to be rather frenzy. Our Kings ( both the Majestic Son and the Father ) had to be engaged in some feverish survival diplomacy whilst our Monastic institutions were in deep Prayers. The two Royal and Spiritual Institutions together are responsible for peace, happiness and security of Bhutan and her people. The democratic Government main task is to implement successfully the 5 year development plans and ensure economic prosperity and fair governance.

The Indian Army withdrawl has be done in an acceptable public drama so as to freeze verbal attacks by the Oppositions in the Indian Parliament. So Indian Army plans to withdraw on the basis of Bhutan Army taking over their role. But on the ground, it is not possible for Bhutan Army to replace transgressing Indian troops on Chinese controlled Doklam. Further, to even theoretically agree, is placing Bhutanese sovereignty in grave future danger. As that will make it appear that India secured an area at Doklam for Bhutan. An act of what India claims protecting Bhutanese territory from China.

My humble advice to India is to withdraw and acclaim publicly that Bhutanese Army is taking over the role. And Bhutan continue her public silence. China would be happy with the retreat. And no one is going to be wiser at the ground level. Remote Doklam is away from prying eyes. It is two days hard trek through mountain ravines from the motorable road point on Bhutan side. In hindsight, if only China so generously continued the road extension into our land for our use.

The true political picture is that Bhutanese land is not needed to be protected by a third power and India winds up her adventurism of the century. This time, Bhutan retains her status quo of a sovereign Kingdom. May the people of Bhutan, China and India be blessed with compassionate and sensible leaders though not necessarily in alphabetical order as I try to maintain fairness.

Many years after Emergency Rule in India, when Her Excellency Indra Gandhi was shot down by her security guard, an Indian Army General was supposed to have exclaimed, " how bloody lucky for Bhutan ". So it's possible that such scheming Indian leaders do not give up easily upon clutching Bhutan in their claws. Still I do not wish them the fate of India Indra. But for Bhutan, I pray that the our omniscient powerful Deities keep under the radar of their thunder bolts those who pose danger upon the " Land of Pelden Drukpa."

Pelden Drukpai Lha Gyel Lo !

And read the comments from fellow Bhutanese. They even link the events from India incorporate South Tibet (Arunachal Pradesh) and Sikkim to India states, where the indigenous people (who look a lot like Chinese or Tibetan rather than Indian) become the minority after India keep sending Hindu people there.

Or the link to where India tried to influence opposition parties in Sri Lanka to oppose China, opposition parties in Maldives to kill its President who is pro China. (
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I think they are quite knowledgeable to world events or maybe because they are insider (being India protectorate state?) so they know more of India's tactic.
 

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Another interesting article from Bhutanese blogger

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And read the comments from fellow Bhutanese. They even link the events from India incorporate South Tibet (Arunachal Pradesh) and Sikkim to India states, where the indigenous people (who look a lot like Chinese or Tibetan rather than Indian) become the minority after India keep sending Hindu people there.

Or the link to where India tried to influence opposition parties in Sri Lanka to oppose China, opposition parties in Maldives to kill its President who is pro China. (
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I think they are quite knowledgeable to world events or maybe because they are insider (being India protectorate state?) so they know more of India's tactic.

I don't think Bhutan or Sikkim has a say on the matters.
 

plawolf

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Here is link to the incident and excerpt If anything it is the Indian who stood by doing nothing
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About a dozen aid workers and UN staff housed at the Terrain hotel compound
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on 11 July. Peacekeepers just over 1km away failed to come to their aid despite multiple requests from China, Ethiopia, India and Nepal for forces to be dispatched.

The report noted that “each Unmiss contingent turned down the request, indicating their troops were fully committed”. During the attack, “civilians were subjected to and witnessed gross human rights violations, including murder, intimidation, sexual violence and acts amounting to torture perpetrated by armed government soldiers,” said the report.

The investigation, led by retired Dutch general Patrick Cammaert, was unable to verify allegations that peacekeepers did nothing to help women who were raped during the heavy fighting.

But in a later incident on 2 September, a woman was assaulted near the entrance to a UN compound “in plain sight” of the peacekeepers, the report said.

“Despite the woman’s screams, they did not react” and other UN staff intervened, the report added.

A
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on the violence in Juba found nothing new in the UN’s flawed response. The organisation previously investigated a February incident in which peacekeepers from
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, India and Rwanda stood by as government soldiers attacked another protection of civilians site in the northern town of Malakal, killing at least 30 people.

I would not trust all these reports from American and British sources since both have significant elements that hate the UN and would love for it to fail.

The criticism of the UN South Sudan mission has been self-contradictory from the start.

On the one hand, they criticise Chinese troops for leaving their post, while in the same breath criticise the UN peacekeepers for not leaving their positions to come to the aid of western aid workers.
 

Hendrik_2000

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I would not trust all these reports from American and British sources since both have significant elements that hate the UN and would love for it to fail.

The criticism of the UN South Sudan mission has been self-contradictory from the start.

On the one hand, they criticise Chinese troops for leaving their post, while in the same breath criticise the UN peacekeepers for not leaving their positions to come to the aid of western aid workers.

The point I try to get across is there is no such thing a coward Chinese troop hunkering in their base. There is dysfunction chain of command on the part of UN general staff as proven by the ensuing investigation by the Dutch general
So it is not China that refuse to protect the civilian They( China) did request help but to no avail

Not sure about the Chinese troop not staying in their post. Because 2 Chinese soldier did die not sure whether on this incident or unrelated incident
We don't have complete picture of the situation
The investigation doesn't seem to single out any of the UN troop for cowardice but put the blame solely on the commanding officer of the UN which is the Kenyan general
So this Indian rant is just that BS
 
Even if the reports were true, the fact that the PLA stayed in their base while under fire when they had not received orders to act and / or we're not authorized to do so is a testament to their discipline and professionalism, not a mark of cowardice. A less disciplined force would have charged out guns blazing, without a thought given to reprecussions. Similarly, discipline and restraint by both sides is the reason we don't, and hopefully won't have a shooting war in Doklam now. Would anyone blame the troops involved for cowardice when they didn't simply open fire on each other?
 
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