India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan

vesicles said:

It makes no sense that they would risk open war with China over a road.

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I think that this is being used the same as Germany did with Poland in 1939 when they said that they want to build exterritorial road between Danzig and Western Prussia through Polish territory. Of course it was stupid idea from the start but Germans used it to stir up the nationalistic feeling against Poland in their country. Poland of course said no to such plans. And we all know that it wasn't about some stupid road - that war was for world's dominance\test their army and Germans had to start somewhere.

It looks all the same to me this time. I hope that nothing too serious will come from that and both sides will back off to what it was few months ago...

Janiz said:

I think that this is being used the same as Germany did with Poland in 1939 when they said that they want to build exterritorial road between Danzig and Western Prussia through Polish territory. Of course it was stupid idea from the start but Germans used it to stir up the nationalistic feeling against Poland in their country. Poland of course said no to such plans. And we all know that it wasn't about some stupid road - that war was for world's dominance\test their army and Germans had to start somewhere.

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I guess a lot more people will be speaking Chinese then... you better start learning Chinese soon!

Janiz said:

I think that this is being used the same as Germany did with Poland in 1939 when they said that they want to build exterritorial road between Danzig and Western Prussia through Polish territory. Of course it was stupid idea from the start but Germans used it to stir up the nationalistic feeling against Poland in their country. Poland of course said no to such plans. And we all know that it wasn't about some stupid road - that war was for world's dominance\test their army and Germans had to start somewhere.

It looks all the same to me this time. I hope that nothing too serious will come from that and both sides will back off to what it was few months ago...

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If that is the case Arunachal pradesh is now in Chinese hand
after all they run over the Indian army and all road are open to New Delhi. China did break the back of Indian army

No it is the Indian who is looking for revenge of their defeat in 62 and restore Indian to greatness

Jura said:

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Bhutan rejects Beijing's claim that Doklam belongs to China

Updated: Aug 10, 2017, 05:18 PM IST

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Based on one journalist contacting the Bhutan foreign ministry
In other WORD NOT BHUTAN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
It become he said she said !

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This is why the PLA is constantly told to 'be combat ready and capable of winning battles' at all times, so that there will not a delay of 1 year for the nation to build up it's war fighting capabilities.

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I forced myself to watch about half of that and it nearly cringed me to tears. Can't fix that kind of stupid and wilful arrogance.

There was maybe 1 panellist who sounded like he had a clue, but the moron host kept shutting him down every time he tried to make his point because he didn't like where that guy's train of thought was going.

The rest of them are just a bunch of circle-jerking nationalistic chest thumpers with their heads too far up their own arses to have a clue what is going on.

I have no idea why they kept harping on about China 'inventing' an excuse to invade India in spring 2018 when India is gift wrapping a perfect pretext for war right now.

The idea that China wants to fight in 2018 to take advantage of some non-existent window of opportunity to hit India before they lost the ability is self-serving wishful thinking of the most ludicrous degree. As if China thought remotely as much of India.

There are also some glaring logical errors. Just because the first Rafales are due for delivery in 2019 doesn't mean those Rafales will be combat ready in 2019. And to bring up LCA deliveries on 2021 is frankly embarrassing, and most certainly not something the PLAAF is going to be the least bit concerned about.

And it's not like China hasn't got new toys coming online either. By the time India gets its Rafales delivered, the PLAAF's J20s should have attained initial combat readiness. At which point, the already large gap between the PLAAF and IAF would have grown far wider not narrowed or reversed as those Indian talking heads seem to think.

If that bunch of idiots are really India's 'foremost military experts', then India has far bigger problems than I had thought.

Hendrik_2000 said:

Based on one journalist contacting the Bhutan foreign ministry
In other WORD NOT BHUTAN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
It become he said she said !

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Considering India does all of Bhutan's 'diplomacy', its more like an Indian journalist called his Indian buddy in a call centre in India where India has established Bhutan's 'foreign ministry' for a quote.

Right now, Bhutan doesn't look so much like a willing Indian 'protectorate' as it does a terrified hostage sending secret SOS to the outside world.

plawolf said:

I forced myself to watch about half of that and it nearly cringed me to tears. Can't fix that kind of stupid and wilful arrogance.

There was maybe 1 panellist who sounded like he had a clue, but the moron host kept shutting him down every time he tried to make his point because he didn't like where that guy's train of thought was going.

The rest of them are just a bunch of circle-jerking nationalistic chest thumpers with their heads too far up their own arses to have a clue what is going on.

I have no idea why they kept harping on about China 'inventing' an excuse to invade India in spring 2018 when India is gift wrapping a perfect pretext for war right now.

The idea that China wants to fight in 2018 to take advantage of some non-existent window of opportunity to hit India before they lost the ability is self-serving wishful thinking of the most ludicrous degree. As if China thought remotely as much of India.

There are also some glaring logical errors. Just because the first Rafales are due for delivery in 2019 doesn't mean those Rafales will be combat ready in 2019. And to bring up LCA deliveries on 2021 is frankly embarrassing, and most certainly not something the PLAAF is going to be the least bit concerned about.

And it's not like China hasn't got new toys coming online either. By the time India gets its Rafales delivered, the PLAAF's J20s should have attained initial combat readiness. At which point, the already large gap between the PLAAF and IAF would have grown far wider not narrowed or reversed as those Indian talking heads seem to think.

If that bunch of idiots are really India's 'foremost military experts', then India has far bigger problems than I had thought.

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LOL I first read about India's interest in the Rafale (among other fighters) in 2006 during the first year I entered University on one of the computers in the student library. It is now 2017 and they are planning to get it delivered from France in 2019?? LOLOL Meanwhile, China flew a home-grown 5th gen J-20 in 2011 and put it into service with the PLAAF in 2017.

manqiangrexue said:

LOL I first read about India's interest in the Rafale (among other fighters) in 2006 during the first year I entered University on one of the computers in the student library. It is now 2017 and they are planning to get it delivered from France in 2019?? LOLOL Meanwhile, China flew a home-grown 5th gen J-20 in 2011 and put it into service with the PLAAF in 2017.

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Snails pace like their trains. There is a certain way to do things in india. Everything needs to be discussed and debated to death by "experts" then the government holds some tender that is ultimately corrupted along the way. Negotiations with foreign countries break down, program is delayed. Program is revived. Nothing happens. Delay. Revived. Final agreement reached after compromise and dodgy dealings in the back. Still a country with fewer toilets than cows roaming around.

Janiz said:

I think that this is being used the same as Germany did with Poland in 1939 when they said that they want to build exterritorial road between Danzig and Western Prussia through Polish territory. Of course it was stupid idea from the start but Germans used it to stir up the nationalistic feeling against Poland in their country. Poland of course said no to such plans. And we all know that it wasn't about some stupid road - that war was for world's dominance\test their army and Germans had to start somewhere.

It looks all the same to me this time. I hope that nothing too serious will come from that and both sides will back off to what it was few months ago...

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Another memorable nugget of our in-house Korean affairs specialist who mastered the language and the whole Korean history after a few books, not to mention the impressive service he claimed he did somewhere sometime on a ship. Sorry was it on Carnival? LoL

In all your wisdom, would you care to explain why this 2017 border standoff in Donglang is same as what Nazi Germany did with Poland in 1939?

Is there an entity called Western Sinodia stuck in the middle of India that nobody knew nothing about its existence until today, except you?

Was China asking India an "Indian Corridor", not a dirt road like the one in Donglong mind you, to connect with the long lost compatriots residing in a free city state inside India? LoL

Before the Polish Corridor, preceding events showed Nazi Germany withdrew from League of Nations, the same year Nazi party came into power and increased its troops strength over half a million within couple of years before taking back Saarland and Rhineland. Then came the invasion of Austria and Czechoslovakia. So Nazi Germany had already started her highly militaristic conquests long before Polish Corridor.

Did China withdraw from United Nations recently? No. She is still an active member positively contributing to the organization on all levels.
Did China increase her troops strength recently? No. It was the other way round, she reduced the overall size of her standing army.

So there clearly is a different trajectory and vastly different historical contexts.

Instead, you should go back to 1962 border war and subsequent incidents and skirmishes along the border. That's where we can see the comparable precedents, not the 1939 Polish invasion and Nazi Germany.

Have you been reading Japanese history textbooks only ?