Ideal PLAN Mobile Offshore Base.

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
i think if China wants a overseas naval base then there is none better than Gwader, which sits right at the mouth of the Persian Gulf, every strategically placed and easy access to Arabian Sea

a few nuclear submarines stationed there and Washington may not sleep
 

delft

Brigadier
i think if China wants a overseas naval base then there is none better than Gwader, which sits right at the mouth of the Persian Gulf, every strategically placed and easy access to Arabian Sea

a few nuclear submarines stationed there and Washington may not sleep
An overseas base is perfect for a country with excessive power. Think of the way Great Britain has kept onto Gibraltar since a combined English-Dutch fleet captured it in 1704. Since then Great Britain has lost all bases that lie within former colonies and only kept some of those on oceanic islands. The exception is the base complex on Cyprus. The US are mostly able to hang onto its bases unless they lose a war, as in Viet Nam and Iraq. And in 1969 they lost Wheelus air base in Libya. For China it is better not to have bases than to lose them.
And there is no advantage to China in keeping Washington sleepless.
 
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richarddmorris

Just Hatched
Registered Member
Thank you, yes, the LST installing an airfield is right. I was still wondering about that floating airfield, the current idea of a MOB.
To be clear, I consider it a bad idea by now, at least if it has the size for large fixed wing transports. Having something smaller for rotary wings, landing crafts and UAV only would be better.

Kurt,
Would love to tell you but can't till I speak with somone in the Navy or file for the patent. You can see some other patents I have on YouTube, Suntram and VTOL V23 Amphibian.

Richard
 

FarkTypeSoldier

Junior Member
Unlike United States, China does not have naval bases in all the oceans of the world. The string of pearl in the Indian Ocean are a shadow of whats needed for a global naval operation. In addition, these ports are vulnerable to attack and insurrection by local forces in the Indian Ocean.

Your challenge, as a civilian consultant to the PLAN, is to engineer a nuclear MOB (mobile offshore base) capable of supporting theater level engagements. It has to be large enough to land the largest transport planes, hold a theater reserve of fuel and supplies, and house an entire army group.

It has to be virtually unsinkable by conventional means, and modular enough to be repaired/ upgraded while at sea.

Best of luck, Comrade. Your family will be well taken care off.

Hi,

Wouldnt be such a mobile base of this stupendous size be vulernable to all sorts of attacks, and also the possibly of an annihilation of an entire fleet trying to protect the mobile base?

The 50 million USD is not enough to justify such a massive structure or 'thing' when loss!

I would prefer something more useful and served as a deterence to others like this:

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richarddmorris2

Just Hatched
Registered Member
Richard Morris



10:30 AM (2 minutes ago)






to China

Thank you for your review. I have submitted a concept to the Navy without details. To date I have not heard back from them. My concept can do what you have outlined, except for the solution nature of your spec. The phrasing would suggest a partial solution to the need and not just the need itself. This is fine for design iterations, but not for a statement of need. The problem with this is you design yourself into a box and you can no longer fulfill the need.





Thanks,



Richard Morris, Architect
 

CottageLV

Banned Idiot
China doesn't really need an overseas base, other than position few carrier groups patrolling the South China Sea. Unlike US, China doesn't invade every 10 years. So there is no need for military bases beyond its own waters. Even patrols off the Somalian coast doesn't require one.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
You really need to have a look at the scale of Chinese investment, migration and trade with Africa.

Just as cheap Chinese goods and Chinese built infrastructure changing Africa, African raw materials and demand will be key to China's future.

The US and EU are big and rich, but they are also declining and increasingly saturated. That means margins and profits are thin, and competition fierce. It's the same story with China's domestic market as western firms have been discovering to their cost.

Africa is poor today, but it has vast population, resources and potential, much like the Asia Pacific after WWII. That similarity is unlikely to have escaped the notice of Chinese businessmen and government strategists, and there is a reason why there are millions of Chinese nationals living and working in Africa today.

Contrary to most western views about China only wanted to make a quick buck in Africa and pull out, the fact of the matter is the Chinese people and the Chinese government have long-term plans. That is why China is so keen to build roads and railways and bridges. They want to implement the same strategy they used with such success in China on Africa, and Chinese companies and businessmen are positioning themselves to best facilitate and benefit from the economic growth that will follow if everything works.

But Africa can also be a dangerous place, as recent wars and crisis have demonstrated quite graphically, and the Chinese military has always been called into action several times to help safeguard and evacuate Chinese nationals from trouble spots.

In the immediate term, the Chinese government will know full well how much money such large-scale evacuations costs the Chinese taxpayer. In such context, the cost of maintaining military bases in the region will not seem quite so high if you consider the cost savings that could have been made if it was possible to evacuate Chinese nationals to a Chinese military base, and then arrange transportation back to China from there, instead of evacuating them to nearby countries and putting them all up in 3 star hotels and/or chartering direct flights from the trouble spot to China.

In the medium to long term, it would not have escaped notice that while the Chinese government was able to successful evacuate it's citizens, vast amounts of private and state property had to be abandoned, and hugely expensive contracts may not become void and useless. In addition, there were many case of robbery and assault of Chinese nationals as they tried to escape the trouble zone by themselves.

Having military bases in the region opens up new options and possibilities, ranging from helping to add stability to prevent things from spiraling out of control in the first place to military escorts and extractions to make sure Chinese nationals can all get out, and with as much of their property as possible.

Like it or not, China is an international power, and it's fate and fortunes are increasingly intertwined, linked and dependent on other nations. Up to now, China's overseas interests were overwhelmingly in the US and Europe, who can look after their own security and where the rule of law usually provides protection for Chinese companies and nationals there. However, as Africa becomes ever more important to China, China must also have the military options to safeguard the vast numbers of it's nationals and property invested in Africa. That means military bases.
 
China doesn't really need an overseas base, other than position few carrier groups patrolling the South China Sea. Unlike US, China doesn't invade every 10 years. So there is no need for military bases beyond its own waters. Even patrols off the Somalian coast doesn't require one.

I'd agree except that instead of carrier groups China would do better with LHD or LPD task forces. LHDs and LPDs are much more flexible than carriers, good for OOTW, less threatening, and can handle themselves in case conflict does break out, at least in low intensity scenarios. Not sure if they would be cheaper than carriers to maintain and run.
 
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