Ideal chinese carrier thread

[Scratch]

Nice design planeman, ... unconventionall
Ok, new pics have poped up. I'm still not really happy with texturing and shading. I've slightly realigned the sponons with the VLS.

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[Gollevainen]

Nice drawings (regardless) from both of you
What drawing program did you use Scratch?

 

[Scratch]

Nice drawings (regardless) from both of you

Thanks

What drawing program did you use Scratch?

I used blender 2.42a. It's a free-ware 3D moddeling tool. Though it gives you many alternatives, it's a little more difficult than just drawing
That's why I have to further study to apply textures, make it look more realistic.
I might add an aircraft later. You can make little animations, at least tutorials say so. Maybe I manage to create a short movie with an aircraft taking off

 

[Ryz05]

Great pictures! Is it possible to have the command post be moved to the bow of the ship, underneath the runway, but with an observer post on top? This will maximize space on the runway. Any advanced radar or electronic suites can be equipped on nearby vessels and intelligence relaid via an Aegis system.

 

[Scratch]

It probably is possible, technically. But I think there might be problems operating wise. You should at least have some kind of tower for the overview I think.
You'd have to fit this to one side of the bow and making the bow rather wide. And it shouldn't be higher the the deck around it, because especially at the bow, aircraft will pass over it VERY low. But then, there's no overview again.

 

[Ryz05]

For a view of carrier landings, the observer post will come in handy, which should just be a stub on the runway. The bow shouldn't have to be widened, as it will just be a place where the sailors can see what's up ahead. You can basically view it as the tower being placed on its side as opposed to vertically upright.

 

[planeman]

People might be misinturpreting my drawing and explanation: There would be a bridge overlooking the flight deck within the radar mast-like superstructure, only the navigation bridge would be below the ski-jump(s). The navigation bridge wold be noisy during take-off but I'm sure modern vibration/sound proofing could help somewhat. Obviously it'd be fully air conditioned (in an NBC way).

I have quite a few refinements in mind but overall I think my layout looks quite promising and logical. The VLS between the take-off ramps is completely logical IMO.

 

[bd popeye]

Great ideas and drawings all! Thanks for the explanation Planeman.

I wish I knew how to really use those drawing programs...my drawings look so dumb...

 

[Jiang]

Just one question please. How many fighter jets can Varyag carry??

My guess at least 30, might be more if we use J-10 cause it is smaller than J-11.:china:

 

[Gollevainen]

Ok this isen't exactly the "ideal" carrier, but a glimpse from the past...

So like i've been saying in my earlier reply's, the first jet age carrier for PLAN was the pr. 085. It's basicly enlargened version from WWII-era pr. 072 which was in effect a derivation from the UK Illusrious class. Project 085 added angled flightdeck and had unlike it's predessor, a open US style hangar. In effect it's very close to the French Clemenceau class or rebuild US Essex class. Two units where build [79] and [80], first one laid down in 1958 and completed in 1962, seccond laid down in 1962 and completed in 1964. These ships saw extensive service life and where both rebuild in 1978-82. [79] was decommisioned in 1987 and [80] was modernised once again in 1992-3 and have been in reserve since 2006 (to be decommisioned when the pr. 087 enteres service)

DATA:
Displacement: 23,400 tons standart, 32,000 full load
Dimensions:
Length: 853.02’ (260.0m)
Beam: 134.51’ (41.0m)
Draft: 27.23’ (8.3m)
Armament:
Main: 16 – 3.9” (100mm) dual purpose guns (8 x 2)
Light: 24 – 57mm AA guns (6 x 4); 32 – 25mm guns (8 x 4)
Aircraft: 40 aircrafts including J-5/6/7 and Q-5 and SH-4 (Tu-91) t; 2 helicopters
Machinery: Steam turbines; 144,000 shp
Performance: 31.4 knots full speed; 5,000 nm @ 18 knots

NOTE: the drawing and data is derivated from the soviet pr. 85 light carrier program