China don't simply introduct new equipments until they meet the requirements, that why there was only one 167 and in other case such as Song. I think China understand that whatever they were going to built in mass numbers would simply obstacles by western standard by the time they were ready, so it just don't make sense unless they had something that are more closer to the Western standard.
Unlike the Air force, PLAN didn't had the resources until recent years. So they were forced to give up on Surface Warships Platforms, and focus on subs. But things are changing now, since China could afford to allocate more funds, that why they began to presue the once abandon and postpone projects. Varyag has been an on going debate in the PLA, since one of the most influential PLA leader was rejected his request for Aircraft carrier groups by PM at that time, but since he had convinced and still have supporters in PLA high ranking general. The AC project did not dead, so what we are seeing now are continue of what once delayed. 168 or Varyag are just catching between and filling the gad for the PLAN.
I think it is too early to suggest that 52C are not sucessful or as good as hope for, China do tend to take times to built first two test ships before making big orders. But we should have a more clear idea in a year or two, when 54A and 52D should be coming out. If they didn't, then there might be some dissatisfication of 52C.
I didn't posted in the Whatever out of control USvsChina thread, but in here I would want to point out that PLAN is no where the level with USSR in 1990. If you really bother to do research on USSR navy, you should know that USSR were on par with US. China simply don't have power and project capability of USSR, we don't have many modern warships and subs as USSR did in 1990. You guys might tend to underestimate USSR since you are too young to remember or read in late 80 or early 90 about military, but I would tell you that eventhrough many Americans wanted to say they were superior than USSR(maybe in quality but definite not quatantity). That is simply not true, if USSR and Us really fought a war in 1990 I would assure you that there would be no winner. But China do enjoy many advantages that USSR don't have, China have more resources and stronger econmies than USSR. China also had one billion more people, maybe some members here would say otherwise. But I will certainly believe that one billion more people do make a difference in war, also don't forget we have better environment than USSR and there are few things that China did surpass USSR.
I think many members might be overconfidence that US would simply could deploy military capabilities in time of crisis, but no one should underestimate China's rapid deploy capablity especially China are only 100 miles from Taiwan and also China are the one who should initial the attack. And China only needed to hold off US forces as long as possible, of course the one million dollars question would be could China defeated Taiwan in days or weeks or never
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Unlike the Air force, PLAN didn't had the resources until recent years. So they were forced to give up on Surface Warships Platforms, and focus on subs. But things are changing now, since China could afford to allocate more funds, that why they began to presue the once abandon and postpone projects. Varyag has been an on going debate in the PLA, since one of the most influential PLA leader was rejected his request for Aircraft carrier groups by PM at that time, but since he had convinced and still have supporters in PLA high ranking general. The AC project did not dead, so what we are seeing now are continue of what once delayed. 168 or Varyag are just catching between and filling the gad for the PLAN.
I think it is too early to suggest that 52C are not sucessful or as good as hope for, China do tend to take times to built first two test ships before making big orders. But we should have a more clear idea in a year or two, when 54A and 52D should be coming out. If they didn't, then there might be some dissatisfication of 52C.
I didn't posted in the Whatever out of control USvsChina thread, but in here I would want to point out that PLAN is no where the level with USSR in 1990. If you really bother to do research on USSR navy, you should know that USSR were on par with US. China simply don't have power and project capability of USSR, we don't have many modern warships and subs as USSR did in 1990. You guys might tend to underestimate USSR since you are too young to remember or read in late 80 or early 90 about military, but I would tell you that eventhrough many Americans wanted to say they were superior than USSR(maybe in quality but definite not quatantity). That is simply not true, if USSR and Us really fought a war in 1990 I would assure you that there would be no winner. But China do enjoy many advantages that USSR don't have, China have more resources and stronger econmies than USSR. China also had one billion more people, maybe some members here would say otherwise. But I will certainly believe that one billion more people do make a difference in war, also don't forget we have better environment than USSR and there are few things that China did surpass USSR.
I think many members might be overconfidence that US would simply could deploy military capabilities in time of crisis, but no one should underestimate China's rapid deploy capablity especially China are only 100 miles from Taiwan and also China are the one who should initial the attack. And China only needed to hold off US forces as long as possible, of course the one million dollars question would be could China defeated Taiwan in days or weeks or never
.Sorry Golly and Mods just can't resist to make my replied.
ffOFF TOPIC IS RIGHT!! LET US ALL REFRAIN FROM THIS USA Vs PRC or comparisons to the SOVIET NAVY..GENTLEMEN STAY ON SUBJECT!!!
bd popeye moderator
