Hong-Kong Protests

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KYli

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daifo said:
Don't know the details, but on the premise, it doesn't make sense to punish a lawyer for taking any case.
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In an ideal world, maybe you are right. But we don't live in an ideal world and can't pretend there is one to begin with.

CPC has always been heavy-handed in dealing with dissenters. Most of these lawyers are funded by NGOs and foreign sponsors to take up cases. It isn't like they don't know what they are getting into when they take such cases. Many of them have plans to flee China and have assistance from the West to do so if things got rough.

Don't think it is any wrong for "human rights" lawyers to take up cases especially to expose corruption and wrongdoings. However, after seeing so many of these "human rights" lawyers, labor activists and women activists have become after fleeing to the West, their motives and their true intentions are questionable. Therefore, from CPC's perspective, these people are traitors and going after them are justifiable and hiding behind certain "rights" won't make much a difference.
 
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supersnoop

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daifo said:
Don't know the details, but on the premise, it doesn't make sense to punish a lawyer for taking any case.
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From a rational/logical perspective, I suspect that these people have contacts with NGOs (like the China Aid) mentioned. These NGOs are often either directly or indirectly involved with foreign intelligence services (the ratline to get the “student leaders” out of China after 6/4, etc.)

By arresting this person, you put pressure to reveal who is helping them and weeding out the network.

Hilariously there is a quote about the how China has influence and power to arrest people on foreign soil coming from a US human rights person
 
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Biscuits

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daifo said:
Don't know the details, but on the premise, it doesn't make sense to punish a lawyer for taking any case.
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Taking the case is not a problem. But a lawyer compromising their professional position by taking illicit enemy money and sharing inappropriate data with foreign governments need to be harshly dealt with.
manqiangrexue said:
Oh yes it does. People shouldn't act like mercenaries or like schizophrenics separating their professional lives from their personal lives (or rather, saying so as an excuse). Such a concept is based on Western autistic levels of interaction. In Chinese culture, every part of your life is connected to you and thus connected to every other part of your life, and as such, there is a complete fluid representation of you that makes sense. There is no, "I'm not a traitor at heart but I did help the enemy because it was the professional thing to do." That's total nonsense and garbage. Everything you do in your life represents you, and as such, this person's choice to defend a terrorist makes him a terrorist sympathizer and we need none of those in our country or in this world.
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It's okay if they do it, legally speaking. You know, even the terrorists from Xinjiang got legal representants for them during their trials. It's just what everyone gets.

However, can this person refute the accusations that he works with enemy agents and take their money? 99% not lol
 
coolgod

coolgod

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daifo said:
Don't know the details, but on the premise, it doesn't make sense to punish a lawyer for taking any case.
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You and many others on this forum have this misconception that the whole world (should) all follow the adversarial legal system, where two sides duke it out with lawyers who just compete to best represent their clients. The results don't need to correspond to the wrong acts in question, but just need to conform to the arguments presented, circumstances, proper court procedures, etc.

China does not follow the adversarial legal system, nor does it have a strong tradition of viewing questions of legality and justice through the lens of a childish videogame. In fact China has a strong inquisitorial legal tradition and is one of the founders of the inquisitorial or non-adversarial system. The role of the lawyer under this system differs greatly compared to the adversarial legal system. BTW this detained lawyer works in mainland China and not in HK.

On this topic I would like to state that the HK legal system also needs a systemic overhaul, this is clear from the light sentencing given to cockroaches during the 2019 riots. HK high court recently refused to ban HK separatist music, it is evident the HK high court is full of compromised foreign nationals and Hanjians.

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It is my understanding the HK high court members are appointed for life, I think "friendly" reminders should be passed on to the brazen judges and justices in the system to let them know that they should step down very soon, otherwise they will be dealt with a la Scalia.
 
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plawolf

plawolf

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daifo said:
Don't know the details, but on the premise, it doesn't make sense to punish a lawyer for taking any case.
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The first and most fundamental duty a lawyer has is to defend the rights and interests of his clients within the framework of the laws and regulations of the country.

These foreign agent lawyers are a million times worse than even the lowest ambulance chasers, because an ambulance chasing lawyer will still fight for his client to get something at the end of the day.

What this scumbag and others like him do is cherry pick cases they can use to undermine China’s legal system and rule of law by exploiting the injustice some people experienced. However, they have zero interest in getting any justice for their clients, only using them as fodder to advance their own agenda of attacking China. Anyone stupid and desperate enough to let such scumbag lawyers take their case is basically fucked, because these lawyers would have wasted their shot at getting justice and tainted their cases to such an extent that they will not get a favourable judgement even if their case had genuine merit.

It would be like a lawyer taking on cases in America and basically instead of arguing the legal points, just spent the whole time arguing how the entirely American legal system is corrupt and irredeemable and need to be overthrown. You can have the most bullet proof case in the world and you will still loose if your lawyer pulled that bullshit in court. And if any lawyer did that in America, they will also have their law licence revoked in record time, and rightfully so.
 
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