Hong-Kong Protests

KYli said:

One of the reasons why I don't think the protests are over is that I don't trust Carrie Lam. She is too weak.

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She's a weak leader, but that's because she's got no ideas how to make HK better and hardly anyone trusts her. In terms of law enforcement, she's been tough, e.g. using outdated colonial era emergency powers, refusing to allow for an independent investigation into police conduct, backing Beijing to the hilt and refusing to criticise any policy even a little bit, etc. There's not really anything else she can reasonably do, unless the CCP wanted her to end the last vestiges of democracy and have tens of thousands of HKers sent to prison.

hullopilllw said:

Who will trust Hypocrites such as him?

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No idea. It's up to the voters. The only question is if the HK government will let him run.

If the official who mailed him the questions is being fair, they will take his word at face value and not block the application for registering for the election. After all, the point of checking the applications is not to select the best candidates or weed out the "wrong sort", it's to check whether or not the criteria has been met - e.g. minimum age met, deposit paid, etc.

If he is stopped from running in the election despite saying he would not carry on with that sort of behaviour, it rather suggests that he was always going to be disqualified and the letter was just sent to give the veneer of legality of refusing him, no doubt because the government assumed he'd refuse to back down and say he'd keep asking for sanctions.

So it has begun.



Hong Kong students arrested under national security law

Four students have been arrested in Hong Kong in the first police operation to enforce China's new national security law for the territory.

The four were detained for "inciting secession" on social media after the new law began on 1 July, police said.

A pro-independence group said those arrested included its former leader, Tony Chung.

Beijing's controversial new law criminalises subversion, secession and collusion with foreign forces.

Previous arrests under the new law have been made for slogans and banners at protests.

Critics say China's new law erodes Hong Kong's freedoms. But Beijing has dismissed the criticism, saying that the law is necessary to stop the type of pro-democracy protests seen in Hong Kong during much of 2019.
What do we know about the arrests?

Three men and a woman aged between 16 and 21 were arrested on suspicion of organising and inciting secession, police said.

"Our sources and investigation show that the group recently announced on social media to set up [sic] an organisation that advocates Hong Kong independence," said Li Kwai-wah from the new national security unit inside Hong Kong police.

Computers, phones and documents were also seized, he said.

The students were former members of or had links to Studentlocalism, a pro-independence youth group. It was disbanded in June before the new security law came into force and said it would continue to campaign from abroad.

But Mr Li said overseas activity could still be prosecuted.

"If anyone who tells others that he advocates violating the national security law from abroad, even he does that from overseas, we have the jurisdiction to investigate these kind of cases," he said.

Photos posted on social media showed Mr Chung being led away in handcuffs in the district of Yuen Long.

Studentlocalism said Mr Chung was detained at about 20:50 local time (12:50 GMT). Police officers also took away items in several bags, the group said.

Prominent rights activist Joshua Wong said Mr Chung had been followed by police for several days. He said Mr Chung had been arrested for writing a Facebook post on "China's nationalism" and alleged that the detainees' phones had been hacked shortly after their arrest.

"Tonight's arrest will clearly send a chilling effect on HK online speech," Mr Wong tweeted.

plawolf said:

It’s mostly because of American propaganda and mental conditioning.

America spend decades brainwashing its populous to develop an almost instinctive distrust and hatred of all things ‘communist’ during its Cold War with the USSR, which was also know as the CCCP. Thus referring to China as the CCP was a way to easily bridge that existing mental conditioning and apply it to China after the USSR collapsed.

Think of CCCP/CCP as the ‘would you kindly’ trigger words of the real world for an unbelievably large number of Americans even today.

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Is that a BioShock reference? The game set in a world of libertarian-ism/anti-socialism gone wrong?

I would say that the mental conditioning goes much further. Good article:

The entire US political and education system basically relies on Western/White supremacy. For all the sanctimony and moralizing about defending minority rights in other countries, or protecting freedom and democracy, there's no question why someone who committed genocide is honoured with their portrait on the $20 bill.

Anyway, it is kind of off topic so I will stop here.

Wangxi said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1288393689191120896

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This is good. Foreign funded subversion efforts and agents should all be rooted out for HK stability.

Problem is they don't have a China next door to them. All they can do is what London is for. Or maybe their pitch is they're the UK's gateway to China... Love how this guy thinks Hong Kongers are a precious commodity that everyone wants. Five hundred thousand Hong Kongers in a city in a European country... I remember reading how Ireland had a very low murder rate. Then one day I read of a murder in Ireland. The victim was Asian. Maybe Connor McGregor can have a daily exercise routine of beating up Hong Kongers in the morning everyday.

Most of the wealthy and elites in HK have foreign passports. Moving to Ireland for what, most of Hong Kong People would not find a decent jobs in Ireland. As for the elites that who decide to move out of HK, most of them acknowledged they would never get a job with similar pay due to the fact that they don't have connection in other countries. They are nobody. For average HK people, most of them would go back to Guangdong for retirement. some would go to Taiwan and the rest probably Southeast Asia.

Hopefully, more of these youngsters would seek political asylum every where in the world. They would contribute greatly to many countries.

Hong Kong youth Liu Kang who involves in independent movement declared that he has arrived in the UK to seek political asylum.



港獨青年劉康自爆抵達英國　尋求政治庇護

KYli said:

Hopefully, more of these youngsters would seek political asylum every where in the world. They would contribute greatly to many countries.

Hong Kong youth Liu Kang who involves in independent movement declared that he has arrived in the UK to seek political asylum.

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港獨青年劉康自爆抵達英國　尋求政治庇護

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They just wanna mooch off the social welfare systems of the west.

localizer said:

They just wanna mooch off the social welfare systems of the west.

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That's where you are wrong. These youngsters and their experience in peaceful protests would inspire thousands and millions of people all over the world to rise up against tyranny like the recent Portland riots. Correction, I mean peaceful protests in Portland.