Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

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Just an update for you guys. It looks like OC is coming to an end by tomorrow at the earliest. Almost all OC leaderships are calling for the students to go home. There are only a handful of them left in Admiralty as of right now. An hour ago, in MK I'm still seeing crowds but you and I both know Occupy MK is doomed to fail, and I think the majority of them are anti-OC.

Considering that today is a holiday, hopefully as school resumes tomorrow there will be even less people in Admiralty. OC has its moments but I think it's hard to make a comeback. If an election is to be held tomorrow I'm sure the Pan-dem camp would suffer a humiliating loss. People feel being lied to, betrayed and annoyed for the following reasons:

1. They cowardly hid behind the crowd while deferring leadership to Student Union, Scholarism and the OC 3. They have no roadmap, no better proposal to 2017, and no plan whatsoever in the entire OC movement. How can we trust they can provide the leadership comes universal suffrage?

2. They scandalized the ordinary citizens who are anti-OC.

3. Some people now realize they are in league with the US to cause trouble and instigate a color revolution.

Seriously it's about time. Thank goodness it's over. I had predicted it should last only a week at max because the protestors don't have that stamina, but I honestly don't think any of the violence is necessary.

I agree with the first 2. It's also exactly what I think of the pan-democrats. I endorse their values, but that's about it.(I don't support them) Number 3 I reserve my judgement.
 

Brumby

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GB was confronted by the Mau Mau movement in its colony Kenya in the '50's. Recent publications have shown that its reaction were barbarous and when it conceded that Kenya couldn't remain a colony it kept many leaders of the Mau Mau in prison until it had installed a compliant government which even now is not really democratic. This according to BBC Radio 4.
There is a serious question if GB was ever interested in promoting democracy when it left a colony.

I don't have to demonstrate interest I just have to demonstrate reason which I have with HK. For example, I don't have interest in going to China town because of traffic but I have to go because the spices are only available there (reason).
 
It's sounds to me mainlanders again are being blamed for the choices others make. It's like Robert Samuelson of the Washington Post blaming China for the 2008 Western financial crisis. His reasoning... if China didn't buy US treasuries, interest rates wouldn't be low and thus people who couldn't afford houses wouldn't be tempted to get a loan. Yeah but where's the banks' responsibility not to issue a loan to someone who could afford it? So Samuelson just picked one factor, and an extremely indirect one, to lay all the blame on. What ever happened to taking responsibility for your own actions? If the bank didn't decide to give out a loan to someone who couldn't afford it, there would be no property default. But the banks knew the government was going to bail them out which is why they didn't care if someone couldn't afford a loan. The perfect analogy is blaming the responsibility of a drunk driver killing a child with a car on oil companies. If the oil company didn't produce the gas for the drunk driver to be able to drive, the child wouldn't have been struck and killed. If people are blaming Beijing because there's no affordable housing in Hong Kong, then Hong Kongers shouldn't sell to and exploit mainlanders that drive up prices. They can't do it themselves because it would make them look like the bad guy that any civilized true democratic society would see. So they want Beijing to the dirty work for them by directly stopping mainlanders. They were also happy to let Beijing decide the fate of Edward Snowden. Yeah it's easy to believe in your own freedom or someone akin to you. There's nothing heroic about it. The true test is will you put yourself on the line for someone else?


BTW, wasn't Hong Kong under British rule known for poor people living on boats?

They were known for developing the city.
Also, you can't blame HKSAR for how they decided to deal with Snowden because it's foreign affairs, not HKSAR's level of jurisdiction. Also, the cap was supposed to be on CY to suppress the housing. I've heard he did do some work there (so maybe the only good thing he's ever done), but I'm still not sure.
 

ancestral

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Not sure if posted or not. Here's the moment right before the police had to employ tear gas and pepper spray.

[video=youtube;vgBqBImQQoo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgBqBImQQoo#t=46[/video]

[video=youtube;eFVuxKnOEwo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFVuxKnOEwo[/video]

I have a lot more videos showing anti-OC protests but most of them are not on YouTube and it seems I can only submit two. Just showing another perspective not otherwise reported by the mainstream media.
 

Franklin

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I told you I'm referring to the Triads who are amongst them, right? They're the thugs I'm referring to.

I wasn't adressing you or anyone else I was only giving my opinion why I changed my mind about these protests.

Its indeed true that there was a incident that probably involved triad members, but that is just one out of countless incidents across HK were OC protesters and others have scuffle and clashed in recent days. The problem is that they generalize anyone who oppose them as either thugs or part of a government organized rent a mob.

1. They block roads and passage ways and inhibiting people from moving freely and get were they need to go. They prevent adults from making a living and prevent children's from going to school.

2. And when they are confronted by angry residents and people who are fed up. They start calling them names and smear them publicly.

3. They insist that the government and police should do their "job" when it comes to protecting them from angry residents but are crying violence and oppression when the same government and police try to remove them from roads or streets that they are blocking illegally.

This level of hypocrisy and selfishness and self righteousness will make a lot of enemies very quickly.
 
I wasn't adressing you or anyone else I was only giving my opinion why I changed my mind about these protests.

Its indeed true that there was a incident that probably involved triad members, but that is just one out of countless incidents across HK were OC protesters and others have scuffle and clashed in recent days. The problem is that they generalize anyone who oppose them as either thugs or part of a government organized rent a mob.

1. They block roads and passage ways and inhibiting people from moving freely and get were they need to go. They prevent adults from making a living and prevent children's from going to school.

2. And when they are confronted by angry residents and people who are fed up. They start calling them names and smear them publicly.

3. They insist that the government and police should do their "job" when it comes to protecting them from angry residents but are crying violence and oppression when the same government and police try to remove them from roads or streets that they are blocking illegally.

This level of hypocrisy and selfishness and self righteousness will make a lot of enemies very quickly.

I had just spoken to a friend in HK and he had confirmed the first 2. Honestly I just wanted them to go home and be safe. Now that everyone can go home and rest, that's a good thing.

As for #3, there are reports and stories from both sides of what's happening. There are police who ain't doing their job properly, some who are. For that said, I will say all 3 sides are guilty.

This is how I will conclude all of this.
 

Mr T

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Chow Tai Fook, the world’s largest jewellery chain, has issued a statement distancing itself from its public relations deputy head after the employee posted inflammatory comments on social media about victims of violence and sexual assault in Hong Kong’s pro-democracy protests.

Joanna Kot, who has worked at Chow Tai Fook for two years and eight months as the deputy head of public relations and media according to her now-deleted LinkedIn profile, mocked those who were beaten or molested by anti-Occupy crowds as protests continued to rock the city’s downtown districts.

“Assaulted? It’s late by a few days already! You all saw it! If there’s a problem, you [protesters] want the police, if there’s no problem you say they are bad guys. If you’re all that, then leave by yourself. Citizens of Mong Kok are only repaying you in the same way.”

Chow Tai Fook could not immediately be reached for comment on whether Kot had been sanctioned.

In another post regarding a female student protester who had been indecently attacked, she wrote: “Molested? Remember not to report to the police; revolution requires sacrifice, fighting for democracy is above the law.

“Those anti-Occupiers are ‘peacefully’ molesting you. You should be understanding! LOL!”

It's comments like these that will just further the perception that in Hong Kong the primary backers of the political status quo are the rich, who give two fingers to the rest of the population including the protesters.
 
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Final image I feel that should be displayed. This is essentially 2 groups of folks, both yellow ribbons and blue ribbons, sitting together having an orderly discussion. This should be how things are: civilized, respect of opinions
 
Not sure if posted or not. Here's the moment right before the police had to employ tear gas and pepper spray.
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did you see it, airsuperiority? it seems 9/28 protests weren't "completely peaceful" (I can't imagine that footage to be faked -- charging with canopies of umbrellas for example LOL)
[video=youtube;eFVuxKnOEwo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFVuxKnOEwo[/video]
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at 01:20, I can see a Police Officer lifting a red banner:
Stop Charging or We Use Force

no need to explain on Military Forum :)
 
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