Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

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Mr T

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Blackstone said:
Hard to see how the protagonists could widen the protests, it seems everyone with a beef against Beijing is already there.
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Everyone with a beef who has the time and believes it would make a difference. There are almost certainly other people that support the protesters' aims but don't think there's a point in joining them.

Did the parents of protesting students agree to strike on their say so?
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They can call for a strike, much as any group of protesters can. And remember that young people have jobs too.
 
Blackstone

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SamuraiBlue said:
From a neutral perspective on a purely economic stand point I believe Beijing may kill the hen that lays the golden egg.
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The "golden goose" will survive just fine. Its feathers ruffled somewhat to be sure, but as long as there are profits to be made, businesspeople great and small will make them. Commerce may suffer short-term setbacks, but will recover for the long-run.


From how I see it Beijing is taking over the same system that the British enforced so in terms of political system it is the same.
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You are far off base, honored Padawan. The only system the British ever enforced was one based on oppression and subjection of Hong Kong locals as servants, coolies, and second-class subjects of the English crown. The British occupied Hong Kong for over a century, and at no time in their sordid history did it ever seriously consider democracy for its "subjects" till just a few years before they were thrown out by their ears. Hong Kong leaders tried many times to gain democratic representation in UK Parliament, but were put down each and every time, and in some instances, with wanton brutality. THAT is the totality of British occupation of Hong Kong, and I thank you to learn it!


On the other hand foreign investors had different set of rules from the ones that is enforced in mainland China with lot more leeway utilizing the same freedom in business practice as it was back in the British colonial days with ensured freedom.
At the moment Beijing is casting doubts on that part and investors moving on speculation will certainly consider the risks connecting to bad for business. It may settle down to no change but at that time the damage have been done which will take a certain time to recover or not recover at all thus the result of killing the hen.
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Here’s the dirty little secret, Samurai; all the rants and raves of HK protesters wouldn’t make any long-term difference on the economic vitality of Hong Kong, because the movers and shakers who really matter are the bankers, politicians, tycoons, and plutocrats that meet in country clubs, golf courses, bank vaults, and The Great Hall of the People.
 
Brumby

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Skywatcher said:
You're using stereotypes about mainlanders there. I'm sure anyone with a working brain could figure out the obvious hypocrisy.
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I am simply reporting the facts on the ground concerning two specific social and economic issues confronting HK people by individuals injecting tension into the system. The fact that I reference groups of individuals by construct and meaning is to separate it from the body of the main group. I would make a generalised statement of a group if stereotyping was my intention. You are making an assertion without warrant.
 
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Skywatcher said:
Yes, and freedom from fear of the humanoid reptoids using fluoridated water to control our bodily fluids.

I'll take it that you can concede that Hong Kong isn't Beijing 1989?
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Yes that HK and Beijing are physically not in the same location and 1989 is not 2014. I also know that the people making the decisions in 1989 are no longer the same people. However I also know that the decision making body still operates under the same banner and that this body is capable and willing to make certain decisions as demonstrated by history. Does that answer the question?
 
Blackstone

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Mr T said:
Everyone with a beef who has the time and believes it would make a difference. There are almost certainly other people that support the protesters' aims but don't think there's a point in joining them.
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So some HK residents mouth complaints against Beijing, but don't care enough to stand and be counted, and yet more than willing to count the profits they make from the Mainland. What say that about their bottom lines and true leanings?

They can call for a strike, much as any group of protesters can. And remember that young people have jobs too.
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I'll bet you dollars to donuts most of the protesting students live with their parents and receive a good portion of their succor from the same.
 
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Skywatcher said:
They've threatened to widen the protests (whatever that means), or a labor strike (which is ridiculous, any meaningful strike will cause economic damage). The government building occupation is a non-starter, and will get them tear gassed again at the very least.

They could try to occupy a PLA base or break into a police armory, but that's not just insane, that's "going three times to the far side of the Moon with a spa treatment on Venus" insane.

Like I said, they should use this political momentum to build a political mobilization for the long haul, not double down.
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2 nights ago the numbers were 60,000. Tonight it's sitting at 160,000(according to some, needs to verify) because the protest had expanded. The continual economic disruption is like being stabbed repeatedly with a knife. It might not be new, but it hurts enough and already effective. Strikes are starting to happen already as well with some groups. Elites will soon apply pressure on HKSAR I'd say.

And no one's planning on storming the building. They're just gonna gather outside at the Civic Square. In fact there are already messages telling people not to disrupt the flag raising ceremony tomorrow.
 
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airsuperiority

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Blackstone said:
Hard to see how the protagonists could widen the protests, it seems everyone with a beef against Beijing is already there.


Did the parents of protesting students agree to strike on their say so?


I'd say let the students deface government buildings, except they'd probably ransack businesses too. Yeah, better stick with tear gas, batons, and rubber bullets.


But the amusement factor would be high.


Agreed.
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If they're already out on the streets supporting the students, then I don't think they'll be going to work too.
Also contrary to your wishful fantasies, students were cleaning vandalism acts done by a few, on governmental buildings. They're even cleaning up the streets and recycling. You can wish for the worst but it will only happen inside your head. Your bias is so clear but I'll let you have it because the amusement factor for me is already high.
 
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AssassinsMace said:
Bringing up Christians is purely a political tactic. They're trying to introduce Christians into the mix to get support from Christians in the Western world. Of course these are the most polite protestors... by design. When they don't get what they want my bet they will lie about something to have an excuse for the use of violence.

I find it strange that Hong Kongers brag about the economic prosperity of Hong Kong yet they're angry at Beijing? The only thing I've seen is Hong Kongers angry at every thing to do with Mainlanders in Hong Kong. Then they say they don't hate Mainlanders but the government?

Let's not forget these activists are not defenders of freedom. That's another tactic to identify with and get the West involved. Jackie Chan has an opinion and it doesn't follow these activists. He doesn't bash them. He doesn't insult them. But when he speaks up giving his opinion, they attack him with all fury just for giving his opinion. Yeah they'll give you the freedom to follow what they believe... It's no different from the history of pro-Taiwan factions in the Chinese-American communities who thought they were on the side of right because they were pro-American. And because of that they thought they could use threats and intimidation to make sure the Chinese community steered towards their agenda.

If they're not for independence, what is it then? All the stuff I read is complaining about what Mainlanders are doing in Hong Kong. Having democracy has nothing to do with that. They say they don't hate Mainlanders but instead the government? Do they want Beijing to prevent Mainlanders having the freedom to travel? It's all a bunch of contradictory nonsense if it's unclear what these protestors want? Is it as simple as they're craving for attention? It does explain why Hong Kongers were stupid playing drama queen during the handover scaring away money and Western expatriates. They actually thought the West was going violate on a treaty from an ugly part of Western colonial history, especially with all that nonsense about how they care about the rule of law, wasting their lives in a war with China?
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The bias is strong in this one.


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airsuperiority said:
Honestly if you some of you guys are so quick to judge without finding answers to your questions, or don't do your own research, and yet never have real experiences to the culture or travel there, or already landed a conclusion before what I have to say, then please don't even bother asking me things because you're wasting my time and your own.

The purpose of having discussions with people from different places is so you can hear what they have to say about their side of the stories, so if you're gonna judge us or a place without knowing what it's like there, then next time just say "I have my conclusions so whatever you say I'm just asking without really actually opening to listen to what you have to say"

I come here to share my stories and what's happening at my hometown, but I feel like I'm taking jabs from several of you for a few days already with challenging remarks and statements one after another and even conclusions about what's happening without even knowing what is really happening there. Makes me wonder why my presence has any meaning sometimes.


Quite disappointed with the open-mindedness of some folks no offence.
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I had this one labelled for you. Enjoy!

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Oh, and haters area always gonna hate.
 
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