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Re: Chinese General news resource thread

airsuperiority said:

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If someone can translate that will be great, otherwise I'll do it.
It's written by a gen Z

The bolded part says "Those of you who grew up in the colonial ages love to say, there's no democracy while under Britain, so what are you fighting for? We believe the society will advance, and the gears of time is always revolving. A hundred years ago there's no gender equality, 200 years ago black slavery is legal, and for thousands of years China is ruled by monarchy. If nobody fights for things, everyone will still be the same. If by holding to the attitude of "it's always been like this", women today will still be binding their feet!"

Whoever wrote this is so articulate and the writing's so beautiful, I am thoroughly impressed.

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Such idealist messages are fine and dandy, disregarding the many illegalities already committed, - namely disrupting the daily lives of many Hong Kongers and posing security risks to 'occupied' areas - if a pillar for said idealism is not contradictory to the message. This attempted disassociation with the British colonialist past is blatantly false in light of the recent attempted storming of the Hong Kong PLA garrison by Union Jack-bearing hooligans. In short, if these anti-PRC movements wish to propagate their non-affiliation with British colonialism, then they shouldn't be waving the f*cking Union Jack around Hong Kong and deliberately deprecating the Mainland in lop-sided comparisons with the UK. I don't buy this talk of "we're not infected with pro-British Stockholm syndrome, we're just pro-democracy".

Franklin said:

I'm not condemning you. You have the right to your own opinion and beliefs. You don't have to be defensive. I'm just pointing out that you are using the rhetoric of the far right to defend the protests.

Personally I neither condone nor condemn the protests. I'm sure that the people who are protesting have deep seated grievances. And as long as it remains peaceful they can continue for as long as they want.

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Ok maybe I gave off the wrong vibe and so I will apologize for it and if I offended you with my later remarks, but no I will not hold far-right beliefs. Personally far-right is one that I am very very against, which is why I also got offended.

I seriously can't stress how much I hate certain far right beliefs sometimes, and I can tell you, I have some friends who are bigots and it disgusts and shocks me how they can be when after all they've lived in Canada for years.

And another thing I can tell you is, last year when anti-mainland sentiments were high with those who stormed maternity wards and stuffs and those rude ones, some HKers used the term locusts. I was personally so offended by what they say because in Canada we learned not to be racist, and calling people locusts is like the most offensive thing I've ever heard. It's totally dehumanizing. Anyways I haven't hear that word for a while, and I'll say that CY HKSAR administration is responsible for this tension at some point because they are very slow to respond for a lot of these situations. This is why this guy has got to go.

Re: Chinese General news resource thread

jobjed said:

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Read twice and not sure exactly what you're saying, but it sounded like you think it's colonialism stockholme syndrome or sth.

Ok good for you. I can voice what I have to say, but as much as I can't change an anti-vaxxer's views, I can't change one's mind that's already sealed with conclusion.

Oh yea, if you had already sealed a conclusion, don't even bother asking me questions, because I will still respond to your challenge cluelessly before realizing it's pointless because your mind's already set like a stone wall, and personally I never talk to concrete walls.

Read it third time and starting to make sense:

One response: if you can take 2 dudes to generalize 7 million people, then I must say, I am not a fan of how your brain functions.

Re: Chinese General news resource thread

airsuperiority said:

Read twice and not sure exactly what you're saying, but it sounded like you think it's colonialism stockholme syndrome or sth.

Ok good for you. I can voice what I have to say, but as much as I can't change an anti-vaxxer's views, I can't change one's mind that's already sealed with conclusion.

Oh yea, if you had already sealed a conclusion, don't even bother asking me questions, because I will still respond to your challenge cluelessly before realizing it's pointless because your mind's already set like a stone wall, and personally I never talk to concrete walls.

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It's a rebuttal to the "bolded part" that impressed you.

So what's the game plan after say, two weeks?

The protesters can't force any sort of concession from Beijing (which under Basic Law, is not required to have open elections) and if they keep on blockading the roads, there will be serious economic damage that will kill popular support.

Brumby said:

Firstly you are stereotyping someone based on some statements made. How many countries in those region that you have named to base your conclusion has a one country two system arrangement as in HK? The group of individuals that are creating a burden on the HK system are not immigrants as your typical type. They drain the system (pregnant mothers) for the facilities and then return to their source of origin. The other type are the property speculators (that need to park their money) with their questionable source that create a bubble on prices that locals can no longer afford to have a decent place of their own.

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You're using stereotypes about mainlanders there. I'm sure anyone with a working brain could figure out the obvious hypocrisy.

Re: Chinese General news resource thread

jobjed said:

It's a rebuttal to the "bolded part" that impressed you.

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Your rebuttal is basically, "I hold onto my beliefs that you guys are inflicted with Colonial Stockholme Syndrome", so I updated the post you quoted me from with a new sentence at the very end.

Brumby said:

Like freedom from fear of tanks running over you. There are some HK people who believes there is a greater cause then just $ and cents.

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Yes, and freedom from fear of the humanoid reptoids using fluoridated water to control our bodily fluids.

I'll take it that you can concede that Hong Kong isn't Beijing 1989?

Skywatcher said:

So what's the game plan after say, two weeks?

The protesters can't force any sort of concession from Beijing (which under Basic Law, is not required to have open elections) and if they keep on blockading the roads, there will be serious economic damage that will kill popular support.

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Very good question. I had a reality moment and worried last night. I do feel the protest will last at least till October 1st to send a direct message to Beijing, and preferrably maximum will be the end of this week. I don't hope it lasts another week after because that's too disruptive and I don't think anyone wants that, even the protestors themselves. Everyone will be exhausted, including the police, HKSAR, protestors, entire HK as a city, Central financial district, the world, firms and offices based in HK, and even Beijing for things they have in HK. Wasting 2 weeks is totally not worth it. I also doubt Beijing will hold off for that long because that's wasting everyone's time, and they have resources or agendas and stuffs who are also secured in HK too, or at least with the elites who are based in HK. I don't think those local elites want this to last so they will probably meet with Beijing or start to talk or communicate with Beijing. I also believe that Beijing's invested interests in HK will also begin to speak, so essentially there will be some response. Waiting for this whole movement to die off is the worst, immature, and least productive way to do things, so I hope both sides will take an open attitude towards things. The attitudes and concerns of the protestors are real so it's important to address, not ignore. Plus, this CY administration is dysfunct, and unless Beijing really wants HK to be like this constantly in the future, they gotta do something about this inept puppet. It's in everyone's best interests that things gets fixed. Historical as it is, it allows everyone to learn from it and move on and improve. Plus, has Beijing ever had movements of this scale ever happen before and then handling it, other than June 4th?(which of course is a major disaster, and that I also feel Beijing probably will not resort to that path again because it's been proven to not work) [being that armed military responses don't work]

Honestly though, now I understand how frightening it is on June 4th. Seeing your own people and students there with tanks rolling out is unimaginable.

airsuperiority said:

Very good question. I had a reality moment and worried last night. I do feel the protest will last at least till October 1st to send a direct message to Beijing, and preferrably maximum will be the end of this week. I don't hope it lasts another week after because that's too disruptive and I don't think anyone wants that, even the protestors themselves. I also doubt Beijing will hold off for that long because that's wasting everyone's time, and they have resources or agendas and stuffs who are also secured in HK too, or at least with the elites who are based in HK. I don't think those local elites want this to last so they will probably meet with Beijing or start to talk or communicate with Beijing. I also believe that Beijing's invested interests in HK will also begin to speak, so essentially there will be some response. Waiting for this whole movement to die off is the worst, immature, and least productive way to do things, so I hope both sides will take an open attitude towards things. The attitudes and concerns of the protestors are real so it's important to address, not ignore. Plus, this CY administration is dysfunct, and unless Beijing really wants HK to be like this constantly in the future, they gotta do something about this inept puppet. It's in everyone's best interests that things gets fixed. Historical as it is, it allows everyone to learn from it and move on and improve.

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I agree that it is not in the protesters' interest to go beyond this weekend. Because then they will either disrupt the economy, with attendant lose in popular support, or if they're not big enough to cause any disruption after a month and are reduced in number to a several hundred people camping in a park, they fade into irrelevance like the sunflower movement. Take popular support while it's on your side, and use it to influence elections in 2017 and beyond (it's a long game after all), that's my advice to them.

But chances are that due to the lack of leadership in the movement, a large number of people are probably going to camp out pass this weekend.