Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

ahho said:

The reason why this is a peaceful demonstration, because it is in Hong Kong and police force show very good professionalism. If a police officer gets a complaint, he is in deep shit. There is a committee that oversee complaints and also there is ICAC that overlooks for any corruption among the population including the police and the ICAC itself. If it was in any other city, any physical provocation by the protester could initiate baton beating and macing from the Police force, and would be noted as "justified".

In my opinion, some people had higher expectation when government change to CY. I had some high expectation and I was disappointed when some did not go through, but he still manage to balance it out and I was happy with that. The opposition kept targeting his credibility and kept CY from successfully enact some of the policy that he promised. This also caused unhappiness with the government by the populace.

The opposition kept targeting CY for the illegal addition to the house, which a lot of rich people and opposition members probably did the same thing to their house (Very common in HK). The Chinese pregnant women coming to HK "overcrowding" hospitals, CY put a full stop to that, and caused panic in private hospital. (I think somewhere they mentioned that hospitals back in the 80s could probably handle the amount of pregnant women, but bed slowly decline due to birth decline). The main problem about social housing, where he tried to get land from regions, he faced with opposition from the locals (social housing degrade the price of the neighboring buildings). The bridge that would connect Macau, HK and China was temporarily halted on the HK side.(This was caused by an old lady stating that the bridge had environment impact and went to court. The old lady was later found to have no knowledge on how to do this, but it was the opposition that used her as a figure head and pulling string from behind. This has caused the gov't to overspend on the bridge due to delays and material cost increase.) The most retarded case in my opinion was the milk powder shortage. People kept blaming the Chinese and did not blame the businessmen for not increasing supplies. Chinese did not suddenly overnight came to HK and buy out all the milk, it happened over a period of time, and it was hastened due to the poisonous milk incidence. CY again enacted limits on how many people can bring back to China. In the end, when all these add up, along with those that I didn't mentioned, these have negative effect on the government, but if people actually look at the details, they would definitely see what caused the current government not able to do many things. If it was the British government, things just get enacted and opposition could be crushed

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ancestral said:

Come on, try to think in other people's shoes. Do they expect the police to arrest the people who are against them, all the while protect them so that they can continue to break the laws?? If they don't want to get hurt, get the hell out of Mongkok. Plain and simple. It's not like they're forced to stay there. Don't listen to the propaganda that floods your facebook newsfeed.

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ancestral said:

Saw that in the news a couple days ago. Source tells me it was HKGolden. They simply used the name Anonymous to make themselves look good or more threatening. As of right now, they mostly resort to DDoS attacks instead of other sophisticated hacking methods. Pretty low if you ask me.

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airsuperiority said:

Well now considering the list of attacks, while I'm not familiar in that realm of cyber-warfare so I won't comment on it too far, but I don't know if a bunch of kids can conduct this scale of cyber-attacks.

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airsuperiority said:

There are videos just so you know. You also shouldn't completely believe in it's all YB's fault because there has been continuous flood of resources, and I even seek verification with a friend on the ground(who I trust is able to give me objective picture), and it was him who told me what the YB did too. I do not trust things until I see them with my eyes or through video footages, and I try my best to make sure the video either doesn't look too sketchy, or at least can deliver the content from start to eruption before I post it. This is why the material I uploaded here ain't as much as what I've seen.

Also, don't forget if there are double-standards by the police today, they can do it again tomorrow. This is why being a professional and proper police force is tough job because not only you need to experience things you don't want to see, but also do things you don't want to do, all the while keep a straight face. I believed in the HKPF for over 20 years, and refused to say disrepectful things about them even last year when there's a huge spat cuz of that teacher. Most of HKers got over the 87 tear gas canisters, but it's how many officers conducted themselves for many conflicts and not treating it properly that lost the respect and trust of the people. Police are to be politically neutral, and to serve properly and not have preferential treatment. You shouldn't excuse that.

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ahho said:

The reason why this is a peaceful demonstration, because it is in Hong Kong and police force show very good professionalism. If a police officer gets a complaint, he is in deep shit. There is a committee that oversee complaints and also there is ICAC that overlooks for any corruption among the population including the police and the ICAC itself. If it was in any other city, any physical provocation by the protester could initiate baton beating and macing from the Police force, and would be noted as "justified".

In my opinion, some people had higher expectation when government change to CY. I had some high expectation and I was disappointed when some did not go through, but he still manage to balance it out and I was happy with that. The opposition kept targeting his credibility and kept CY from successfully enact some of the policy that he promised. This also caused unhappiness with the government by the populace.

The opposition kept targeting CY for the illegal addition to the house, which a lot of rich people and opposition members probably did the same thing to their house (Very common in HK). The Chinese pregnant women coming to HK "overcrowding" hospitals, CY put a full stop to that, and caused panic in private hospital. (I think somewhere they mentioned that hospitals back in the 80s could probably handle the amount of pregnant women, but bed slowly decline due to birth decline). The main problem about social housing, where he tried to get land from regions, he faced with opposition from the locals (social housing degrade the price of the neighboring buildings). The bridge that would connect Macau, HK and China was temporarily halted on the HK side.(This was caused by an old lady stating that the bridge had environment impact and went to court. The old lady was later found to have no knowledge on how to do this, but it was the opposition that used her as a figure head and pulling string from behind. This has caused the gov't to overspend on the bridge due to delays and material cost increase.) The most retarded case in my opinion was the milk powder shortage. People kept blaming the Chinese and did not blame the businessmen for not increasing supplies. Chinese did not suddenly overnight came to HK and buy out all the milk, it happened over a period of time, and it was hastened due to the poisonous milk incidence. CY again enacted limits on how many people can bring back to China. In the end, when all these add up, along with those that I didn't mentioned, these have negative effect on the government, but if people actually look at the details, they would definitely see what caused the current government not able to do many things. If it was the British government, things just get enacted and opposition could be crushed

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ancestral said:

Saw that in the news a couple days ago. Source tells me it was HKGolden. They simply used the name Anonymous to make themselves look good or more threatening. As of right now, they mostly resort to DDoS attacks instead of other sophisticated hacking methods. Pretty low if you ask me.

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ancestral said:

What is YB?

So does that mean you agree the police should start arresting some "students" blocking the road to balance out the preferential treatment against the anti-OC protesters earlier? They can at least be charged with unlawful assembly.

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ahho said:

I wonder what will happen if the Chinese Cyber security Division team up with HK Cyber security division to identify who these anonymous people are. I would guess that the offender will be surprised that prison term will be served if he get caught.

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airsuperiority said:

hmm SDF slowing down. I meant to say YR(yellow ribbon) but don't know why i typed YB. weird typo.

Imo, whoever participated in the violence, especially the instigators, should be subject to the proper arrest, student or no student, yr or br. I also don't think it should be called "to balance out". Also, I had not objected to police attempting to clear the area at all. The questions are where on earth those fences outside Civic Square comes from, and why the police prevented the original assembly of the YR at Tamar. If they didn't do either, nothing should've happened last week. Even the 87 tear gas won't have been deployed, and if it did, they probably not gonna be directed at the students, and probably barely anyone will boil over about the tear gas used on OC. Sounds cynical but that's reality and you know what I'm talking about; the whole movement snowballed cause of the presence of the students, and everyone started caring cause of the students. OC wasn't popular before the students took the streets and you know it. Even I wasn't caring too much about OC before then.

OC can be seen by some as backing up the students, but very quickly the mixture is lethal in both good and bad way, and we're seeing it now.

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