H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

ACuriousPLAFan

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Discussion continued here to avoid derailing original thread, since the discussion will be more about what comes after the H-6 than the H-6 itself.

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This is a rather good post on H-6

I do find it interesting here that he says a possible JL-2 firing from the NorthEast can cover most of North America. That would be like 8000km+ range.

H-6K to H-6J have 8000-8500km range with 6-8 ton payload. H-6N can have even longer range with refueling.

H-6J can presumably carry YJ-17/19 type of weapons in the future.

H-6 family also have much higher missions rate. I remember patch put it in the 80s. But at least here they put it far ahead of B-52 here.

According to him, H-6 family can get ready more than 150 bombers in short notice.
Is there a need or scenario for a more modern conventional bomber, beyond H-6 fam? (Basically a modernized missile truck for very long range missiles). Can carry alot more payload, weight and volume wise compared to H-6, steal manned/unmanned (H20, GJ-X) etc.
during parade, Guancha Trios revealed PLAAF was actually thinking of large non-VLO bomber as H-6 replacement in order to carry more heavier missiles. but its unlikely to be happen due to various reasons.. most likely they will get only Stealth bomber.
I don't see why you need a more modern conventional bomber beyond H-6. By the time H-6 needs to be retired, their role probably will be better replaced by whatever else the latest technology allows for

With a length of ~12 meters, Adorable Dolphin estimated that the JL-1 should weigh no more than 12 tons (which is the practical payload capacity limit of the H-6N). Let's put that at 10-11 tons. And with a 1-ton warhead, which means that the rest of missile weight (which primarily made up of fuel and rocket engines) would weight about 9-10 tons.

With the same 1-ton warhead model, they could have two smaller missiles that carry one such warhead each. Sure, their ranges would be slashed by a lot (let's say by half) compared to the JL-1, and even if their combined weights would be slightly higher than the JL-1 by 2-4 tons - But one bomber could carry more than one 1-ton warhead per sortie per aircraft, with 50% increased chances of penetrating the enemy's Integrated-Air-&-Missile-Defense (IAMD) systems.

In this case - The role of a large, VLO strategic bomber would be to bring those smaller missiles closer to the enemy targets (whether those targets are on the 3IC or CONUS) by acting as their reusable first stages (whereas the JL-1 has two non-reusable stages) before launching them at standoff distances. Having sufficient VLO and ECM capabilities built-in such bombers would enable them to get way closer to the enemy with greater survival chances than the H-6N could ever dreamt of.

This advantage applies to both conventional and nuclear warheads.

(For reference, the Pershing 2 land-based MRBM with a length of ~10.6 meters weighs about 7.5 tons with a ~270 kilogram warhead.)

Besides, as I recall - Both the Guancha Gang and Adorable Dolphin have indicated on multiple occasions that the H-20 will have its own missiles, and that the ability to carry missiles in the category of the JL-1 may not be the H-20 primary goal. I won't say that those missiles would be tailor-made for the H-20 - But as I would understand it, in the view of the PLAAF and PLA CMC, those missiles would have the highest efficacy and effectiveness with the H-20 serving as their launch platform.

Moreover, as for comparing with the H-6K/J/N and the GJ-X in terms of anti-ship and land-attack strike missions up to and around the 2IC - If the H-6K/J/N could carry 2x YJ-XXs per sortie per aircraft for a Guam strike mission, and that the GJ-X could carry 4x of the same missiles per sortie per aircraft for the same mission - Then having the H-20 carry 6x or even 8x of the same missiles for the same mission would very much be a viable path forward.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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Cross-posted here as the discussion is about H-20.
The suspected image in Yanliang production base,incredible, which may be the product of Photoshop processing.
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Ayi said this pic is fake but the guy who faked it probably knows what the real thing looks like(referring to H-20).

A little bit of context - The PS-ed photo was made based off the Google Earth satellite imagery of Yanliang in 2021.
 

mack8

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OK so the pic is PS but considering what Ayi says, could that be the rough outline of the real H-20? Which gets me to something else i was thinking, as we know the UADFs largely follow the aerodynamics of the 6th gens with detail differences and reduced scale of course, so could the GJ-X be indicative of the rough outline of the H-20 as well?
 
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