H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

Its so sad to see how far people have fallen in terms of PLA ambitions.

2 days ago we were talking about supersonic stealth Bomber similar to TU-160 in size, or CONUS capable bomber. To now we think B-21 sized drone is the limit of China's Bomber ambitions?

The fact they have huge sized J-36 and J-50 along with several unmanned J-10 sized drone should be an indication of their ambitions. They will likely have a similar setup. With B-21 sized drone coupled with a much bigger and capable manned bomber.

Whatever the H-20 is, it will be superior to the B-2 in either size or speed.

tamsen_ikard said:

Its so sad to see how far people have fallen in terms of PLA ambitions.

2 days ago we were talking about supersonic stealth Bomber similar to TU-160 in size, or CONUS capable bomber. To now we think B-21 sized drone is the limit of China's Bomber ambitions.

Really?

The fact they have huge sized J-36 and J-50 along with several unmanned J-10 sized drone should be an indication of their ambitions.

They will likely have a similar setup. With B-21 sized drone coupled with a much bigger and capable manned bomber.

Whatever the H-20 is, it will be superior to the B-2 in either size or speed.

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Whatever they build, it'll be tailored to their needs. If they feel like they need a CONUS capable supersonic stealth bomber, they'd build that. If they think a B-21 size drone meets their needs, they'll build that. Simple as. They're not concerned over what PLA watchers think.

GTI said:

there is no manned PLAAF asset that could conceivably accompany it there, providing harder-to-jam closer proximity “tight beam” comms.

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Why can't Sino-starlink provide such services

MeiouHades said:

Whatever they build, it'll be tailored to their needs. If they feel like they need a CONUS capable supersonic stealth bomber, they'd build that. If they think a B-21 size drone meets their needs, they'll build that. Simple as. They're not concerned over what PLA watchers think.

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We don't know exactly what they need but as PLA watchers we can make educated guesses based on the region they are expected to fight and the capabilities their adversaries are likely to have. Whatever they design will have to counter for the adversaries capabilities and also have the necessary range to hit the adversaries.

Since China doesn't have numerous island bases in the pacific, they have built their fighters much longer ranged. I expect that China's new Bomber will be similarly much more longer ranged. Moreover, China already has the ability to hit 2nd island chain with H-6K and its land based missiles. So, building a new Bomber just to have that level of range just doesn't seem ambitious enough.

Whatever shape H-20 takes, if its subsonic, I expect it to atleast match range of the Tu-95, B-52 level ferry range, which is around 15,000KM.

If its supersonic, then I expect it to atleast match TU-160 level range, which is 12000 KM.

Tomboy said:

Why can't Sino-starlink provide such services

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You can't rely on your satellites in a full-scale Superpower war. Satellites will be the first target in any superpower war.

tamsen_ikard said:

You can't rely on your satellites in a full-scale Superpower war. Satellites will be the first target in any superpower war.

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I'd like to see you try to take out 20000 satellites while preventing your opponent from launching any replacement. The literal only option that *might* work is special nuclear devices but that's another whole can of worms that will not be used until fullscale WW3 and even then will likely still be a significantly weighed option. Which in that case final human authorization and collateral damage would likely be unfortunately overlooked anyways.

none of this has anything to do with news of h-20. it keeps reverting to internet chestbeating about whether you think the h-20 is fashionable enough for you.