H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

ACuriousPLAFan

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Just to slide in a bit regarding the question on the need of H-20 for mid-air refueling during long-range/expeditionary strike missions in the Pacific.

For the ease of discussion for us normies/laymen, let's assume that the H-20 can achieve broadly similar parameters to the B-2 Spirit (based on what we do know about the H-20 so far, i.e. VLO, 4x non-afterburning turbofan engines, ~20-25 tons of payload, ~11000-12000 kilometers of range, etc).

Then, let's assume that the combat radius of the H-20 with:
1. Substantial amount of payload onboard, and
2. Using internal fuel load only, with
3. No mid-air refueling throughout the entire journey -
Is one-third of its stated range, which is 3666 kilometers - Or 3600 kilometers by disregarding discrepancies.

Here's what a 3600-kilometer combat radius looks like, with the H-20 taking-off from Changsha:
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And here's what the outer reach of the H-20's combat radius looks like, relative to Guam:
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Sure, the H-20's 3600-kilometer combat radius from Changsha with internal fuel load alone is insufficient to fly right over Guam - But the outer boundary of said combat radius is barely 100 kilometers away from Guam itself.

100 kilometers is a distance that can be covered even with glide bombs released at high altitudes, such as the AGM-154 with a 120-kilometer strike range. With standoff missiles like the KD-20 with ~2000 kilometers of effective strike range, the H-20 probably doesn't even need to go beyond ~1000-1500 kilometers of the Chinese coastline in order to strike Guam.

On the other hand, if the H-20 is based somewhere closer to the Chinese coastline than Changsha, then flying directly over Guam to drop full-gravity payloads is certainly possible.

(Note that Changsha is chosen due to its proximity (at least 650 kilometers away) from the Chinese coastline, which should provide (more than) enough protection buffer by the PLA's land-based SAM systems from enemy missile attacks.)

Therefore, I would say that other than the targets on New Guinea, northern Australia, the 3rd Island Chain and beyond - Literally everything within and along (most of) the 2nd Island Chain can be reached by H-20 with substantial amount of payload onboard, and without refueling mid-route.
 
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gongolongo

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??? Why are people hanging on to the H20 potentially carrying PL10s and PL15s and acting as an air-to-air missile truck?

Why not instead have it carry something like 'PL17' or 'PL21' that could have something like 300km+ range, if it really needed to be used as a missile truck carrying air-to-air missiles?
Why does this thing need to be an AA truck? That's something fourth gen can comfortably do if we're talking about the extra long range missiles.
 

MwRYum

Major
Could H-20 be used for a stealthy refuel platform for fighters?
To fulfill the aerial tanker role, there are just too many necessary items that'd break the low-RCS profile; besides, aerial tankers' operational profile is not to progress with the formation, but to maintain a loop at a reasonable distance behind the frontline, same as AWACS.

As such, the economic sense is to convert an existing platform into such role, typically airliner as the original airframe already designed for the said flight profile in mind.

Thus, to convert aerial tanker from strategic transport is already wasteful (if better candidate available, of course), to convert an offensive platform that is sorely needed for its original role? That's an even worse sin.
 

ashnole

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Why does this thing need to be an AA truck? That's something fourth gen can comfortably do if we're talking about the extra long range missiles.
Because people are obsessed with missiles here lol. Even a penetrating STEALTH bomber must primarily shoot long-range stand-off anti-air and land-attack missiles lol. To hell with the economics of war and the affordability of munitions that stealthy platforms bring!
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Why does this thing need to be an AA truck? That's something fourth gen can comfortably do if we're talking about the extra long range missiles.
Well, even the H-6K/J/Ns too can become AAM trucks with their significantly higher payload capacity (in theory) compared to all the fighters of the PLAAF.

Though, I believe that if there is ever a need for large-capacity AAM trucks, the cheaper and easier-to-build-&-maintain H-6s would offer a better platform for the task than the H-20s (based on what we already know about the stories on B-2's maintenance and upkeep).
 

Deino

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Guys ... really STOP this! These endless - and IMO plain useless . discussions around the H-20 being a tanker too or if it should be a AAM-truck must end!

Discuss this if you like in the "ask anything" section but as long as we haven't seen the H-20 and nothing hints towards these roles, any such chats should be classified as what-if and as such as off-topic!

End of this debate.
 

Blitzo

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New conceptual CGI of the H-20, from the official socmed account of Chongqing Division of Communist Youth League of China.

View attachment 116527

That's just an old fan made CGI from years ago, not significant

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