Future Chinese Missile Destroyer?

Are you sure a warhead from AAM will be able to hurt the ship? Penetrating the hull is going to be impossible with that size and type of warhead. Unless you program the missile to hit the radars and the stuff on top of the deck, it's useless. I am not sure what to make of the flight profile (I guess being agile and slim means it is able to evade CIWS better.), but range would be a bit compromised. And of course, to take out all the sensors, you are going to need multiple hits with missiles programmed for different spots. Trying to hit the Aegis sensors alone is going to be a pain in the back.

If you look at many modern warships, there are a lot of delicate antenna around. Even if you don't damage the main radars, you can end up damaging something else like the datalinks, which can still make the weapons inoperative and the ship practically mission killed.

And we're not talking of an AAM here, we are talking of a large SAM. Its supersonic for one thing, although its not sea skimming, you can carry a lot of them, like see how many a Dokdo class destroyer can carry Standards. One missile may not be enough, but you're guaranteed to have a supply that may inevitably overwhelm ship defenses and create enough damage.

Also antiship missiles do not necessarily aim for the waterline. They would go up at the right at the very last moment, then dive down to the deck where the armor is thinnest. However in this case, it can aim for the delicate superstructure.

1: To guarantee a mission kill with a small warhead is hard. You need to see to it so your missiles dont hit in the same place, and that they hit someplace important. Target recognition, datalinking++. If you dont take it out of action asap, you will get real missiles in return

2: A warhead designed for a SAM will not penetrate anything. Its usually tungsten balls in resin with a light cap.

3: Your active radar will be rather complicated. Both AA and AS mode.

different flight profiles++++

So you end up with very expensive SAMs with at least a compromised SS capability. I wouldn`t put to sea with a destroyer that cant sink enemy ships

A warhead designed for a SAM is meant for proximity explosion. Shrapnel and tungsten balls will literally shred radar and datalink arrays, not to mention bodily harm to crews.

If the missile has an AA and AS mode, all you need is to datalink and tell the missile to switch the modes. This can be done even right before launch, setting the missile right at the start to engage a ship. Flight profile can also be determined from the start by the FCS doing the target management. You take Missile A to attack Ship A, and Missile B to attack Aircraft A. You do not need to take a sea skimming path. Just take a high path and aim for the deck or superstructure from above.

SAMs do have the facility to prevent multiple SAMs to hit the same airborne target. You have to leave it to the fire control system to allocate how many (not more, not less) missiles will be used to engage a ship.

A large SAM like an S-300 has quite a bit of kinetic energy, considering they would go nearly hypersonic, or faster than even supersonic AshMs.

Skorzeny said:

1: To guarantee a mission kill with a small warhead is hard. You need to see to it so your missiles dont hit in the same place, and that they hit someplace important. Target recognition, datalinking++. If you dont take it out of action asap, you will get real missiles in return

2: A warhead designed for a SAM will not penetrate anything. Its usually tungsten balls in resin with a light cap.

3: Your active radar will be rather complicated. Both AA and AS mode.

different flight profiles++++

So you end up with very expensive SAMs with at least a compromised SS capability. I wouldn`t put to sea with a destroyer that cant sink enemy ships

Click to expand...

SM-2, ESSM and RAM all have secondary ASuW capability. Notice how the newest ABs don't even carry any Harpoons? Why would you need that when you can launch 40 of these things at your opponent?

I'm in agreement with Crobato here.

The SM-2 may only have 1/4th the warhead of Harpoons, but the speed & kinetic energy will punch through most ship hulls. We're talking about something that's moving at Mach 3+ here. Modern warships aren't built like WW2 battleships, there's no heavy armor plating.

Commenting on earlier posts in the thread... The earlier PLAN destroyers could mount 16 SSM's, partly because other system requirements were lower or nonexistent. i.e. stealthy hull, VL-SAM, aviation (helicopter + hanger), etc.

Today the chance of ship-to-ship engagement is pretty low. If we look at all the ships sunk during Falklands War, the vast majority were attacked from the air, with only 1 submarine scored kill.

A "near future" PLAN DDG design would have to incorporate multi-layered defense against enemy AShM's. The VL-SAM & sensor system will be far more costly than the SSM's.

Just off top of my head, I'd like to see the development of 2 new types. The first is multi-role DDG, I think something like the S. Korean Navy's KDX-II or KDX-III would be a good model. The second would be an ASW DDH, something like the Koran LPX or Japanese 16DDH helicopter flat-tops.

The DDG's primary role would be guided-missile destroyer, or in effect an AAW destroyer. It'd be responsible for medium and long-range fleet air defense. Perhaps with naval version of S-400, and maybe later with S-500 upgrades for ballistic missile defense?

The DDH's primary role is to be a light helicopter carrier for fleet ASW helicopters, and later UAV's. It only needs to be equipped with point defense and CIWS systems. Perhaps a smaller version of the Type 071 built as a flat top, or at least in a configuration that would maximize its aviation assets. This ship would be very useful for a variety of missions.

hello !
a possible 052 D type design ?

s

gerboisebleue said:

hello !
a possible 052 D type design ?
[qimg]http://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/11/68/74/47/type0510.jpg[/qimg]
s

Click to expand...

Check out the location of the HHQ-9 VLS. Consider the chimneys. Check the AShMs.

This is not a good design.

Fanart...nothing more, and in this case a fanart from someone who really doesen't know much about ships...

O, lookie, another ship.