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Jura naval CM is MDCN, SCALP for aircrafts get a inferior range but more powerful warhead.

Almost sure no in more Egypt don' t have need a flat shape for naval attack a country far from home she is not US, UK, FRA.. which get blue water navies for overseas military operations.

Then i see better SCALP for Rafale but no for the moment.
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FORBIN said:
Jura naval CM is MDCN, SCALP for aircrafts get a inferior range but more powerful warhead.
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thanks FORBIN, I'm sorry I didn't use the name Missile de Croisière Naval :)
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the MdCN is three times more expensive than SCALP EG

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Almost sure no in more Egypt don' t have need a flat shape for naval attack a country far from home she is not US, UK, FRA.. which get blue water navies for overseas military operations.
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there are some Red Sea countries which are mountainous, though
 
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Naval Today said:
On 5 February, while conducting maritime security and counter-terrorism operations under Combined Maritime Forces (CMF) counter-piracy task force CTF-150 in the Gulf of Aden, the French frigate Guépratte quickly responded to an incident, transporting a critically injured seafarer to Djibouti.

At 9:20pm, as Guépratte was about to transit the Bab-el-Mandeb straight into the Red Sea, the warship received a distress call from a vessel nearby, saying that one of its crew had broken both legs and was in a critical condition. Despite the darkness and challenging weather conditions, Guépratte quickly sent her boarding and medical teams to render assistance.

Once embarked, the team ensured that the vessel was safe while the doctor carefully examined the injured man and provided immediate medical treatment. On board Guépratte, the ship’s Captain, in coordination with the authorities ashore, began preparations for a helicopter medical evacuation of the injured sailor to Djibouti’s French military hospital.

Using her Panther helicopter, Guépratte hoisted the patient to safety before quickly transporting him to Djibouti’s air base, where a medical team received the injured sailor and took him to the Bouffard Joint Hospital to undergo surgery. Thanks to the quick work of the highly-professional and capable boarding and medical teams, the sailor is now recovering and awaiting repatriation to his home country.

While conducting operations under CTF-150, the ships and their helicopters are busy searching, identifying, approaching and boarding vessels suspected of terrorist related activities. CTF-150 vessels also assist mariners in distress and provide assistance as required.
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This is a Lafayette Class FFG...good vessels.

Way to go France!
 
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Jura said:
yeah but they haven't gotten the Aster AAMs and recently I've read somewhere they never will ...
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That does not mean that they are not good frigates.

The Crotale CIWS missile system is an adequate system for their needs. These are basically lower intensity vessels, not expected to be subject to large saturation missile attacks.

With their 10mm gun, the eight SSMs, their two 20mm guns and the ASW helicopter, the eight cell Crotale system provides adequate coverage.

...I know they were thinking about adding a VLS with ASTER, but with the FREMM frigates coming along nicely and with their heavier AAW capabilities, I guess the French do not want to spend the extra money on the Lafayettes.

It would definitely make them more capable for AAW, but I guess the French navy feels like with the FREMMs they have adequate coverage.
 
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Armed with Crotale VT1, last variant more fast is not an Aster 15 for capability but better a Crotale. Ground variant Crotale NG.

Big problem actually don' t get sonar in more can' t carry NH-90 planned get sonar should also be possible for the NH-90, same problem with Gerorges Leygues then Lynx stay extremely helpful.
 
Jura The idiot

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Jeff Head said:
That does not mean that they are not good frigates.

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no, it doesn't, I'm sorry I didn't say what was on my mind: the Lafayette-class is under-armed as compared to the Singapore Formidable-class (the same hull if I'm not mistaken) (check also FORBIN's post right above this one) and there are other examples from traditionally strongest Navies of the World of now operating ships which could've been armed much much more strongly ... I can't believe it's about the money ... but somebody from a land-locked country might never understand this :)
 
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French Navy Rubis class SSN Escorted and Hunted USS Theodore Roosevelt during COMPTUEX
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Following several days of stalking under constant threat from US Navy's P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft and Arleigh Burke class destroyers, the Saphire Commanding Officer managed to lock the massive profile of the USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier in the crosshair of his periscope. Another few hundred yards and the French Navy Rubis-class SSN will be in firing range. The crew inside the Combat Information Center holds its breath: the US Carrier Strike Group is on alert and the slightest noise would induce a lightning and lethal response.

The French Navy Saphire SSN participated in a COMPTUEX (composite training unit exercise) with the Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group in preparation for an upcoming scheduled deployment. The French SSN was inserted in the US CSG from January 22 to February 5.
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As far as the French Navy is concerned, the means deployed by the United States offered a stimulating environment for training the Saphire crew. From a US Navy point of view, the French SSN presence was an opportunity for US sailors to improve their multinational cooperation procedures, as well as improve their tactics (both offensive and defensive) when faced with foreign submarines. The organizers of the exercise praised the quality of Saphire's work, its ability to penetrate defenses undetected and its flexibility.
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Jeff Head

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no, it doesn't, I'm sorry I didn't say what was on my mind: the Lafayette-class is under-armed as compared to the Singapore Formidable-class (the same hull if I'm not mistaken).
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Well, the French Lafayettes are less heavily armed than the Singapore Formidable class...but mainly in the AAW missile area and ASW.

Here is the comparison:

Main Gun: 1 x 100mm (Lafayette) 1 x 76 mm (Formidable)
ASM: 8 x Exocet (Lafayette) 8 x Haproon (Formidable)
Anti-Air: 8 x Crotale CN2 (Lafayette) 32 x A50 Silver VLS (Formidable)
Secondary Gun: 2 x 20mm F2 (Lafayette), 2 x 25mm Mk 38Mod 2 (Formidable)
ASW: Non (Lafayette) 2 x 3 B515 Torpedo Launchers (Lafayette)
Helos: 1 x ASW (Lafayette), 2 x ASW (Formidable)

Note: The Crotale launcher has eight ready to launch missiles (thus the 8x above), but also has 16 reloads.

The Lafayettes are armed like France wants for the missions they are used for. In terms of their war fighting, the principle area where the Formidable has an edge is in the AAW VLS (which is a huge edge) and in ASW, where the Formidable is significantly stronger too.

But, if the French needed that level of AAW or ASW like the Formidabe class has, the would use other vessels that they have available...either the FREMM or Horizon.
 
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