Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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LawLeadsToPeace

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It demonstrates capability which is now being called into question. Resolve is already gone. At least intercepting a SLBM or something shows capability. Flying a target drone into Taiwan then shooting it down also shows that they are not a sovereign nation.
Sure it shows capability. But flying a target drone doesn’t do anything. Taiwan can continue to be a sovereign nation and China is now a warmonger that is up to no good.
 

mossen

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I was one of those who urged the CCP to do nothing much, since the US still has the upper hand (this is the bitter truth). However, what's the point of making these crazy statements about "red lines" when it was all exposed as huff? Rhetoric should match reality.
 

Pmichael

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I was one of those who urged the CCP to do nothing much, since the US still has the upper hand (this is the bitter truth). However, what's the point of making these crazy statements about "red lines" when it was all exposed as huff? Rhetoric should match reality.

Because it's domestic theater. China is dealing with several existential problems right now, so getting people in line about the Taiwan question is good theater.
 

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They could launch missiles over the island from one side to other. That will definitely put everyone on edge.
That's insufficient. They already know about the SRBMs and IRBMs.
Sure it shows capability. But flying a target drone doesn’t do anything. Taiwan can continue to be a sovereign nation and China is now a warmonger that is up to no good.
It demonstrates that China is willing and able to shoot down flying objects in Taiwan. Being a warmonger is better than being weak. Too bad it has come to those choices but it is what it is thanks to prior decisions.
 

Yommie

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Brave foreign policy is about as successful as values based foreign policy. Unemotional, rational salami slicing is winning the game

There's a good western saying. Fortune favors the bold. If you are not brave, then others will not follow you. The reason Anglo Saxons have so many followers is because they are brave. When Argentina took Falklands islands, the UK fought. By contrast, China would not have fought in that circumstance.
 

escobar

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I was one of those who urged the CCP to do nothing much, since the US still has the upper hand (this is the bitter truth). However, what's the point of making these crazy statements about "red lines" when it was all exposed as huff? Rhetoric should match reality.
Another theory: Maybe Chinese government want Pelosi to go to Taiwan because objectively speaking, CN gov incentivized this outcome
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Can't UN observer status be vetoed? Also, there are more voting states that support China than oppose because the countries in the EU actually represent a small number of the ~200 countries in the world.
Observer status are voted upon by the General Assembly via a resolution. So China can’t veto it. And yes, the numerical advantage is there presently. However we know the US has many ways to “convince” those countries to support their cause.
China doesn't have a point where it cannot afford to become an international pariah because 1. the West would economically wreck itself trying to sanction China and 2. no price is too high to retake Taiwan. Just because we're willing to wait and hunt for a better deal on when and how to do it does not mean that we won't do it at any cost. Tomorrow, if war over the ROC is here, we fight it, either to victory or to global nuclear annihilation. It would be less costly and messy to do this 10 or 20 years later, but when push comes to shove, we are ready any time.
I agree with no 2, but the timing is also determined by the US as well. I also partially agree with no 1. Yes the West will basically commit suicide if they do that, but an attack from China upon a UN member will break down the trust between China and other smaller nations since it shows China doesn’t adhere to international law. The economic damage will most likely not occur, but the political damage will be extremely high.
 
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