Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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kbecks

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visiting China without permission isn't direct act of war, but it's well within rights to shoot at the border crosser, and if US wants to respond to that, it's their choice to start a war.

That's a bit of a stretch, if you want to say that it's visiting China and violation of their borders then you could claim that China has allowed millions in Taiwan to break the law for decades now and has done nothing - why should this person be any different?
 

9dashline

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That's a bit of a stretch, if you want to say that it's visiting China and violation of their borders then you could claim that China has allowed millions in Taiwan to break the law for decades now and has done nothing - why should this person be any different?
Because China is using this as a pretext for armed reunification, this is not about Pelosi or even Tiawan, its about China vs US in a post EROEI world of negative sum games and ever shrinking pies... its about which side can pull the rug out from underneath the other side first
 

Temstar

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That's a bit of a stretch, if you want to say that it's visiting China and violation of their borders then you could claim that China has allowed millions in Taiwan to break the law for decades now and has done nothing - why should this person be any different?
The millions in Taiwan are Chinese citizens under the reign of an armed separatist regime.
 

Biscuits

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That's a bit of a stretch, if you want to say that it's visiting China and violation of their borders then you could claim that China has allowed millions in Taiwan to break the law for decades now and has done nothing - why should this person be any different?
? Millions of what ? The only time US sent an official there was in 1996, which likely was allowed by Jiang due to warming relations. That's 1 person, decades ago.

US seeks to do a Crimea style takeover of Taiwan, sending Pelosi there is illegal and widely viewed as preparation for an actual military invasion, not as back with Gingrich when Clinton and Jiang were quite close and China just helped US with the USSR.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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? Millions of what ? The only time US sent an official there was in 1996, which likely was allowed by Jiang due to warming relations. That's 1 person, decades ago.

US seeks to do a Crimea style takeover of Taiwan, sending Pelosi there is illegal and widely viewed as preparation for an actual military invasion, not as back with Gingrich when Clinton and Jiang were quite close and China just helped US with the USSR.
Gingrich did not visit Taiwan, he visited "China", as in, he first flew to Beijing, talked with top officials, then flew to Taiwan. This is a hugely important distinction!
 

Abominable

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The White House press briefing is embarrassing to watch. It consists of three main points, first is that because they've violated Chinese soverignty before, they should be allowed to keep doing it, second that no one has any idea if Pelosi is actually going to go to Taiwan, and finally if she does go it's 100% unofficial and that Xi is supposed to know this.

It sounds like the death rattle of a dying empire to me. I still strongly doubt that Pelosi will enter Taiwanese airspace, I bet that plane has no one on it.

I've changed my mind on this. If the USAF enters Taiwanese airspace it should be intercepted and escorted to Hainan with all passengers detained for violating Chinese airspace (regardless of whether Pelosi is on board or not). If fighter jets escort they should be authorised to have a dogfight...it doesn't really matter who wins. It'll go down as a skirmish that can be deescalated as neither US or China wants a full scale war with each other.

ROC should be told to stand down. If they scramble anything, fire a missile in defence or try anything to obstruct the defence of Chinese airspace in any way that should be the green light for an invasion.
 

kbecks

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Because China is using this as a pretext for armed reunification

Yes i agree, this is a pre-text - AKA an excuse, not the real reason for the conflict. Multiple people have written here that this would be a war "caused by the US" which is simply not true. Reunification is way more complex than that.

The millions in Taiwan are Chinese citizens under the reign of an armed separatist regime.

Ok then they have allowed that regime to exist, same thing. My point is that someone visiting this supposedly terrible regime shouldn't be that much worse than the existence of it in the first place.

US seeks to do a Crimea style takeover of Taiwan, sending Pelosi there is illegal and widely viewed as preparation for an actual military invasion

Whaaaaa? That doesnt even make sense to me. You're telling me the country that supplies Taiwan with defensive armaments and other assistance is secretly planning to invade it? Is this an actual belief/thought within China?
 
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