FFG 054/054A Thread

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szbd

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#570? How in the world do they number those ships? The last ship I saw was 530.

For destroyers, it's simple. North fleet starts from 101, East fleet starts from 131, South fleet starts from 161 (actually there was a 160, but sank in an accident long time ago). For frigates, Currently, North fleet and East fleet are mixed in 501-550. South fleet starts from 551. Many of them are decommissioned and their numbers will be (or have been) reused.
 

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In the commission ceremony of 530 Xuzhou, a speech was given from lieutenant general Xu Jianzhong, political commissar of East See Fleet. There's a sentence in it "徐建中指出,“徐州舰”的入列服役,对提高海军舰艇编队远海机动作战、反潜作战和信息化指挥控制能力,加快军事斗争准备步伐,具有十分重要的意义。"

He says the commission of Xuzhou poses great value on ship squadron's high sea operations, anti-submarine warfare and informational command and control.

So, maybe the main role of 054A is really ASW.
 

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In the commission ceremony of 530 Xuzhou, a speech was given from lieutenant general Xu Jianzhong, political commissar of East See Fleet. There's a sentence in it "徐建中指出,“徐州舰”的入列服役,对提高海军舰艇编队远海机动作战、反潜作战和信息化指挥控制能力,加快军事斗争准备步伐,具有十分重要的意义。"

He says the commission of Xuzhou poses great value on ship squadron's high sea operations, anti-submarine warfare and informational command and control.

So, maybe the main role of 054A is really ASW.

oh, geez. Don't speculate like this. Take a look at the armament on 054A. ASW is its weakest point.
 

maozedong

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I think DDG 168,169 should be main role ASW.
054A To a certain extent, anti-submarine, air defense and anti-ship capability, and if it Sovemony destroyers, DDG170,171 in conjunction combat will be able to increase low-altitude air defense capability.

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also from "Jane's" sources said 054A is equipped with a passive towed array sonar, which can be considered a genuine anti-submarine frigate.
I think this is 054A as the reasons for the anti-submarine frigate.
Its anti-submarine weapons is not strong, as its anti-ship weapons, by its own hull size restrictions. Instead of its low-altitude air defense capabilities greater.
 
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crobato

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I think 167 makes a better ASW ship than any of the above, by virtue of being able to have two helicopters.
 

Gollevainen

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Sofar the chinese surfaceship sonarsuites are not that impressive. Best equipment is the DUBV-23 which dates back to the 60's and the Platina in Sovremennyy's which wasen't the best nor the most cabable soviet sonar during its introduction to the pr. 956 (as the ships role wasen't ASW).
 

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I kind of doubt that anything from the Luhai 167 and above would still use the DUBV-23 sonar. Whatever they would be using, likely indigenous, would be paired with modern state electronics.
 

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Well you always can wish that. But unless you can based it anything above the simple logic that systemsfits tends to get improved you are at thin ice. In chinese case there are sectors where the rabid modernisation haven't gone forward at the same pace as in other sectors.

Sonar technology is one of them. There is no indications of chinese making any progress at this field and the relatively small sized bulges in the bows of the warships speaks alot about this. Its likely that the sonars fitted in 052B/C and 054/As are indegenious but they are most likely based on the existing sonars mentioned above.
 

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Frankly I disagree. Size of the bulbs has nothing to do with progress or what's really inside the bulb, which also has to be shaped for hydrodynamic reasons. You need smaller MF/HF sonars in littoral, brown water and heavily crowded environments for better differentiation; larger LF sonars in open ocean for range. Given the sea conditions the PLAN faces, one can see a greater need for HF/MF sonars.

The fact there is Chinese progress on sonars can be seen on the submarines, as pretty much since the 1990s, the subs have gone indigenous with large LF passive flank sonars---first tested on the Hans, Mings and the first Song---as well domed bow sonars that are big enough to fit the bow domes of the Shang, Yuan, and Jin class, and on the refits of the improved Han and Xia. The passive sonars on the Yuan deserve mention for having an unusual layout, four unevenly spaced arrays, compared to the standard three evenly spaced arrays, an indication that the Yuan's flank sonars are a different design than Song's, Shang's, Jin's and the improved Han's. Latest pictures now point to a new TAS on the tails of the subs. New developments on torpedoes, such as the Yu-6 and Yu-7, also point to progress, as well as new sea mapping and research ships, such as the new SWATH ship seen lately.

What about "design" of the sonar? The really important thing about the sonar is the hydrophones and the electronics behind them. Basically the mechanical part of the sonar is a dome, cylinder, or sphere with lots of holes where the hydrophones are set. Nothing really mystical about it, like in the sense there is nothing mystical about a UHF/VHF radar antenna.
 

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All this is true, and I'm not denying chinese progress in the submarine sonar sector but the point was surface ship sonars.

Ofcourse you could argue that the chinese waters are more suitable for MF/HF sonars but that coin have a anotherside; MF/HF just happens to be also older generation technology and like you said limited to coastal operations. For size and role of the chinese modern large surface combatants, something better would be desirable. Chinese naval precense and operational ability is as weak as its weakest link...
 
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