This is why I suspect we wont be seeing any of the 54A's entering service until at least 6 months-1 year after they are commisioned. That time will be used to train crews.
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This is why I suspect we wont be seeing any of the 54A's entering service until at least 6 months-1 year after they are commisioned. That time will be used to train crews.
Yes, there appears to have been some ´kicking ass´in the higher ranks of PLAN since Beijing was dissatisfied with paying up enourmous sums for an at best glacial naval buildup. After getting the message PLAN has indeed brought some dynamics into its business and they are also intensifying recruitment and training successively.
Probably the leadership wants to employ a truly modernized PLAN as a ´fleet in being´ capable to deter Taiwan from seceding and the US from intervening in China's globally expanding interests. (...perhaps even some risk fleet calculus?)
Of course the capable and versatile 054A FFG's are a very important element in future contingencies and PLAN would need certainly more than 12 units as fast as possible. (~20 units would be sufficient at the first stage)
They certainly need to start kicking ass and training up people. The PLAN is running too many "new ship" projects simultaneously, and all of this, from various subs to FACS to LPDs and hospital ships to destroyers to frigates are all going to compete for attention and resources against each other one way or another.
Looks like the same 054A, first one from HD. These pictures show a sequence of 054A finishing whatever work is left on it on the dry dock, leaving the dry dock and joining the navy as 529. Note, 527 and 528 are both Jiangwei II.
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pinkov just continues to embarrass himself with this article.
basically saying that China copied the Top Plate radar with the help of Ukrainians (kvant, who had several copies of the Top Plate rdar). The reason he gave is that they managed to copy it so fast and that it's different from Top Plate and Salyut did not provide the help. Seriously, this is getting sad.
And the one on the bottom seems to believes that China will build more 052B/C in the coming days, because China is license building more UGT-25000. Apparently, Zorya also provided M90 propulsion system (UGT-15000) to China. These are probably the most advanced engines they have. A list of their achievements
UGT-15000 and 25000 requirements
basically saying that China copied the Top Plate radar with the help of Ukrainians (kvant, who had several copies of the Top Plate rdar). The reason he gave is that they managed to copy it so fast and that it's different from Top Plate and Salyut did not provide the help. Seriously, this is getting sad.
And the one on the bottom seems to believes that China will build more 052B/C in the coming days, because China is license building more UGT-25000. Apparently, Zorya also provided M90 propulsion system (UGT-15000) to China. These are probably the most advanced engines they have. A list of their achievements
UGT-15000 and 25000 requirements
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And this cannot be true becouse...?...becouse it was Pinkov who says it?...Or some far more valuable source states something else? I haven't heard anything else but rumours of this new chinese Fregat lookalike radar so could you elaborate me and other noobs bit more of what the radar really is then??
Seriously anything Pinkov says lately does not stand up to cross reference. Albeit many of his predictions that China will buy this and that from the Russians have fallen flat. This is the guy that said the 054A only had two illuminators..he judges before he even saw the rest of the ship.
It cannot be true because...it needs to be proven first. Its like that nonsense claiming that the Kvant played a part in developing the 052C's radar when in fact, the PRC only had access to the Kvant active radar only after the 052C was launched. That was just an air search radar without any fire control functionality.
That Fregat look alike radar isn't a rumor, its on top of every 054A ship, possibly the 051C also.
How can you "copy" a radar? Just because it has the same array arrangement makes it a copy? The array is just only one of the many parts of a radar. The general configuration of the array itself might look similar in arrangement but what about the phase array lenses? Making a radar shaped like that does not take a genius.
It cannot be true because...it needs to be proven first. Its like that nonsense claiming that the Kvant played a part in developing the 052C's radar when in fact, the PRC only had access to the Kvant active radar only after the 052C was launched. That was just an air search radar without any fire control functionality.
That Fregat look alike radar isn't a rumor, its on top of every 054A ship, possibly the 051C also.
How can you "copy" a radar? Just because it has the same array arrangement makes it a copy? The array is just only one of the many parts of a radar. The general configuration of the array itself might look similar in arrangement but what about the phase array lenses? Making a radar shaped like that does not take a genius.
I didn't stated that Pinkov was right, just I asked why everything he says is automaticly wrong?
So I asked is there any facts or statements from other sources that clearly indicates that what Pinkov is now saying is wrong?
The rumours that I was refering wasen't the existence of the radars, I have eyes too you know, but about its orgins. I've heard rumours that it is chinese own derivation of the orginal Fregat radar but nothing more spesific of what is the relation between the two in details. All I know is that the both radars
shares the unique arragment of the orginal one and are outward resambling almoust identical. I'm not so familiar with the differences between phased array lenses of the two, can you elaborate us more on the subject?
What Pinkov stated doesen't overrule nor othervice change those existing rumours, it just gives one possiple path that had led to it. So if there isen't any more relible source stating something that seriously contradicts Pinkovs latest claim, then its down to just our own conscience of what to belive. I personally don't belive anything unless its solid hardenly proven by several (independent from each others) realible sources, but again I don't dishmiss any information just becouse its said someone who I don't like.
So I asked is there any facts or statements from other sources that clearly indicates that what Pinkov is now saying is wrong?
The rumours that I was refering wasen't the existence of the radars, I have eyes too you know, but about its orgins. I've heard rumours that it is chinese own derivation of the orginal Fregat radar but nothing more spesific of what is the relation between the two in details. All I know is that the both radars
shares the unique arragment of the orginal one and are outward resambling almoust identical. I'm not so familiar with the differences between phased array lenses of the two, can you elaborate us more on the subject?
What Pinkov stated doesen't overrule nor othervice change those existing rumours, it just gives one possiple path that had led to it. So if there isen't any more relible source stating something that seriously contradicts Pinkovs latest claim, then its down to just our own conscience of what to belive. I personally don't belive anything unless its solid hardenly proven by several (independent from each others) realible sources, but again I don't dishmiss any information just becouse its said someone who I don't like.
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