Falklands War, 1982, Thread

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b787

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Yes a capable aircraft. With no means to counter a Tomcat directed by a Hawkeye, or even a well directed pair of Sea Harriers. It can't outrun a Sidewinder missile, or a Sparrow, or a Poenix.
Tell me when did the Harrier could carry AIM-154?


You forget a few things about geopolitics, The USA had an embargo of weapons in Latin America, have you ever seen the USA selling good weapons there?

The most capable fighters in Latin America are not US made, are the Russian built Su-30s of Venezuela. and before that were the MiG-29s and MiG-23ML of the Cuban air force
The A-4s were capable to carry AIM-9 but the USA capped their capability

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But Argentina`s were limited from Washington.
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Were your Harrier pilots very brave? no way you lost 25% of your Harrier force and even with an Embargo to Argentina.


The only reason you will not see further war is thanks the Falklands/Malvinas war, was only a territorial dispute, Brazil was willing to Stay neutral as long as South America`s continental surface was out of the war, this allowed to keep Brazil`s navy out of the war.


But be honest, you almost lost the war and that is even with help, this shows you are making a myth, you were ill prepared, and not very well trained.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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In this case though Brat the Mark is a propaganda peice. The kill has no confirmation and by the rules of pilot valor with out confirmation you do not earn the kill.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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The only reason you will not see further war is thanks the Falklands/Malvinas war, was only a territorial dispute, Brazil was willing to Stay neutral as long as South America`s continental surface was out of the war, this allowed to keep Brazil`s navy out of the war.


But be honest, you almost lost the war and that is even with help, this shows you are making a myth, you were ill prepared, and not very well trained.
have you lost your mind? The conflict started when the Argentine junta government made a move to take the Falklands by force of arms. Although the British took casualties They achieved there goals in recapture of the Falklands, British forces took fewer casualties in ground combat compared to larger enemy ground forces. In the post war period the British government was resurgent , the Argentine Junta collapsed. The British military recovered and even expanded. The Argentine military has withered and died.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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B787 your hypotheticals are totally bogus, in 1982 the Cubans did have the largest airforce in Latin America yes, but not Mig29. Venezuela did not get SU30 until 2015. Before that there main fighter was the F16. And in 1982 F16 was just starting to enter USAF service.
The small Airforces of Latin America are not because of embargo but because of need. Latin American military conflicts tend to the smaller scale as do there sizes. If your neighbors and potential enemies only have half a dozen fighters older fighters why do you need a hundred state of the art fighters?
 

b787

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B787 your hypotheticals are totally bogus, in 1982 the Cubans did have the largest airforce in Latin America yes, but not Mig29. Venezuela did not get SU30 until 2015. Before that there main fighter was the F16. And in 1982 F16 was just starting to enter USAF service.
The small Airforces of Latin America are not because of embargo but because of need. Latin American military conflicts tend to the smaller scale as do there sizes. If your neighbors and potential enemies only have half a dozen fighters older fighters why do you need a hundred state of the art fighters?
Man do you read other languages other than English? if you read Spanish or Portuguese you will see you are wrong. Most Latin American air forces have opted for buying Chinese or Russian aircraft for the same reasons i mentioned, Peru in fact bought MiG-29 and Su-22s for such reason, Venezuela did the same, Bolivia did the same.
Brazil opted for Gripen because they deemed the Sweden offered the better tech transfer, better even than Boeing`s F-18E

During the Falkland/Malvinas war, the Soviet Union offered 100 fighters to Argentina, this according to a Peruvian newspaper


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TerraN_EmpirE

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When were those buys made B787 before 1982 or after?
You made a hypothetical about the TU22M, that's a nuclear bomber the only nations that had those were the USSR itself India and the Post Soviet Russia and Ukrainian states, why? Because they were Nuclear weapons deployment systems, and India was a close Allie of Russia well Ukraine and Russia were the Soviet Union. The only way a nation in1982 could have gotten top of the line Russian aircraft was if it had allied with the Soviets in a major way, that would have changed the dynamics of the cold war. Easpecially in Latin America. If that had happened in the early 1980s the US would have sided with the British whole heartedly. The Russian military inroads are a post Soviet era event with the Russians selling off everything they can to anyone with the money.
 

b787

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When were those buys made B787 before 1982 or after?
You made a hypothetical about the TU22M, that's a nuclear bomber the only nations that had those were the USSR itself India and the Post Soviet Russia and Ukrainian states, why? Because they were Nuclear weapons deployment systems, and India was a close Allie of Russia well Ukraine and Russia were the Soviet Union. The only way a nation in1982 could have gotten top of the line Russian aircraft was if it had allied with the Soviets in a major way, that would have changed the dynamics of the cold war. Easpecially in Latin America. If that had happened in the early 1980s the US would have sided with the British whole heartedly. The Russian military inroads are a post Soviet era event with the Russians selling off everything they can to anyone with the money.
Terran with all due respect, i have read Peruvian reports, by the way the Su-22s were bought in 1974, an example is Mexico read


¿Acquisition Mexican IAI Kfir Fighter?

In the 80's, Mexico was negotiating with Israel to purchase 24 aircraft IAI Kfir, but EU intervened in the negotiations, as the Kfir used the US General Electric J79 engine.

With this, the US would "proposed" to Mexico the acquisition of 12 aircraft Northop F-5, with the whole "package" included (Armaments, spare parts, etc). Mexico accepted the offer.

Now. what I'm going, why not allow that Mexico EU buying the Kfir? So much they feared that his engine was in Mexican hands?

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further read
US raises in fact the arms embargo high technology to Latin America

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The green light from the White House for sale to Chile F-16 aircraft manufactured by Lockheed assumed in fact the embargo of high-tech weapons to Latin America, imposed in 1977 by President Carter, because the proliferation of military dictatorships. The progressive democratization of Latin America and the decline in arms sales have made major manufacturers US President Clinton pressured to cancel the embargo, which has remained relatively

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if you read the article you understand there is a US Embargo
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