F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

noticed one of the best pro-F35 speculations inside
Trump: Lockheed cuts price on 90 F-35s by $600m
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: "But Trump did not reveal an absolute value for the Lot 10 deal, so it’s not clear if the $600 million cut adds to already planned cost reductions or augments them."

suggesting in addition to 'the shrinking cost' from Sunday at 8:50 PM
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Trump's $600m might be deducted from the Lot 10 cost (the augmentation of the planned cut could be inferred from the sentence I quoted)
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Friday at 8:50 PM
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Mattis Orders F-35, Air Force One Reviews to Cut Cost of Programs
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Marine Corps Will Participate in Pentagon’s F-35 Vs. Super Hornet Review
A recently launched
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comparing
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with
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will involve Marine Corps aviators and aircraft, the Corps’ deputy commandant of aviation said Wednesday.

Speaking to reporters in Washington, D.C., Lt. Gen. Jon Davis said the review, commissioned by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis on Jan. 26, would study the two aircraft “apples to apples” to determine whether the 4th-generation Super Hornet can fill the shoes of the brand-new F-35C.

“Really, it is — looking across the mission sets — does a Block 3 Super Hornet match up, compare to an F-35C,” Davis said. “It’s for the carrier air wing of the future.”

The
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, Davis said, has already purchased 10 of the 67 F-35Cs it planned to buy and has six on the flightline at Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501 in Beaufort, South Carolina.

While the
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is planning to purchase most of the F-35Cs, with a strategy to buy 260, the Corps has gone ahead of the other services to hit a number of F-35 milestones. Its
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was the first to reach
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in July 2015, and it was the first to
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overseas in January.

Davis noted that the Marine Corps owns a significant portion of the program’s institutional wisdom as well.

“I probably have the most experienced F-35 pilots in the department of the Navy on my staff right now,” he said.

Mattis’ directive, aimed at finding ways to shave cost off the infamously expensive Joint Strike Fighter program, dictates that the review assess the extent that
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“in order to provide a competitive, cost-effective fighter aircraft alternative.”

Davis said that F-35 manufacturer Lockheed Martin and Super Hornet maker Boeing would have opportunities to make their case for the aircraft.

However, he said, he expects the study to validate the need to have the technologically advanced F-35C deployed aboard carriers in the future.

“I think it will be a good study, and my sense is we’ll probably have validated the imperative to have a 5th-generation aircraft out there on our nation’s bow,” he said.

If F-35Cs are taken out of the picture as a result of the review, attrition rates of the 4th-generation Super Hornet may become an issue, Davis said, suggesting such a move would limit the aircraft’s ability to deploy in some situations.

“We’re not going backward in time, we’re going forward in time,” he said. “The U.S. Navy and Marine Corps, we’re deployed, naval and expeditionary, and we want to make sure our Marines and our sailors have the very best gear in case something bad happens. And that’s 5th-generation airplanes.”
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Monday at 10:12 PM
... January 30, 2017 Reports: Trump Says He’s Cut $600 Million From F-35 Costs

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and here's what AirForceMag had to say 1/31/2017:
Trump Claims Lot 10 F-35 Savings
President Donald Trump on Monday said he’d negotiated $600 million off the most recent lot of F-35 fighters, meaning the value of the Lot 10 contract will be about $6.6 billion. “We cut approximately $600 million off the F-35 fighter,” Trump said at a meeting about small business in the White House. He said the savings apply to 90 of the fighters, and that the savings were due to personal talks with Lockheed Martin CEO Marillyn Hewson, with whom he met in December and again in January. The Pentagon awarded Lockheed $1.28 billion toward Lot 10 in late November, against a contract
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. However, the total contract was “undefinitized” and negotiations have continued into the new year. After months of deadlocked negotiations, the Pentagon
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and simply awarded the company a contract, and Lockheed has not yet said whether it will appeal that decision.

At the Monday event, Trump also claimed to have solved the F-35’s problems. “There were great delays, about seven years of delays, tremendous cost overruns. We’ve ended all that, and we’ve got that program really, really now in good shape,” he said. However, major cost overruns on the F-35 ended in 2012, and costs have come down on every production lot since. At $6.6 billion for Lot 10, costs would be down about seven percent, or almost exactly what was forecast by the System Program Office and Lockheed over the last two years. Hewson, at the Lockheed fourth-quarter earnings call with analysts, said last week that she had not “slashed” company profits on the F-35 in her talks with Trump, but that price reductions were possible due to a long campaign of cost cutting, such as the
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, in which the company and government share investment in less expensive processes, design, or materials. Trump said Monday he appreciated “Lockheed Martin for being so responsive” to his demands for lower costs. The F-35 program office said it did not know when the definitized Lot 10 contract would be announced.
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Yesterday at 9:27 PM
Friday at 8:50 PM
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Marine Corps Will Participate in Pentagon’s F-35 Vs. Super Hornet Review

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more info, actually quite interesting:
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Of the three variants of Lockheed Martin’s
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, only the
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is at risk of being replaced by Boeing’s F-18 Super Hornet, the
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said today. It’s not on the table to substitute Hornets for either the land-based
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variant or the vertical-takeoff-and-landing
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,
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,
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said today.

Those instructions come from
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, a former Marine infantryman himself, who on Jan. 27 ordered two “parallel”
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of the F-35: one of the program in general to find “opportunities to significantly reduce the cost of the F-35”; and one of the F-35C specifically as compared to “an advanced Super Hornet.” Trump had proposed to replace the F-35 — not specifying any particular model — with “a comparable F-18 Super Hornet.”

The comparison has to be “apples to apples,” Davis told the Defense Writers’ Group this morning. “Looking across the mission sets, does a Super Hornet — (specifically an F/A-18E) Block III Super Hornet — match up with and compare with an F-35C? So it’s only F-35Cs, not As, not Bs. It’s only for the Navy carrier air wing.”

“(Since) it’s just F-35C, my stake in that is only four squadrons,” Davis continued. The Marines plan to buy 67 F-35Cs to
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alongside Navy squadrons — 10 have been bought to date — and only those Marine aircraft are potentially affected by the review. The vast majority of the Marines’ F-35 buy is B-models, “jump jets” intended to operate off the
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. Clarifying that the F-35B is not part of the mix marks an important nod of confidence in the Marine aircraft.

It’s not such a huge surprise that Mattis ruled out replacing F-35Bs with Super Hornets. All F-18s are designed to operate off carrier decks. There’s no way to make them take off and land vertically, which means there’s no way to fly them from
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. (They also can’t operate off the short, austere airstrips the Marines envision as
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). Unless the Navy decides to assign all of its aircraft carriers to Marine Expeditionary Units — unlikely — neither the Super Hornet nor any other carrier-launched fighter can provide on-call air cover for Marines.

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, including many in the military, would argue the so-called fifth generation aircraft can’t be replaced by fourth-generation fighters like the Super Hornet, no matter how you slice the apple. The F-35 is a stealth aircraft, to start with, a capability that can’t be retrofitted onto a Super Hornet, no matter what Boeing has claimed in the past. It also has a unique array of
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, with the Marines in particular planning to use its hacking and jamming capabilities, supplemented by
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on other aircraft, to replace their aging EA-6B Prowler EW aircraft; the Navy, by contrast, is buying dedicated EW planes,
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, to complement its F/A-18E Super Hornets.

“I’m highly confident we’re on the right track,” said Davis. While he doesn’t want to prejudge the review, he said, “my sense is we’ll probably end up validating the imperative to have a fifth generation aircraft out there.”
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Nov 3, 2016
some more headlines:
Lockheed ‘Disappointed’ by Pentagon’s Latest F-35 Contract
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F-35: DoD Forces Lockheed To Accept Its Price For LRIP 9
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Deadline passes for Lockheed F-35 contract appeal, but options remain
The deadline has passed for Lockheed Martin to file an appeal with the Armed Services Board of Contracts Appeals over the unilateral terms imposed on the ninth lot of low-rate initial production contract for F-35s, but alternative legal avenues may still remain to overturn the deal.

Lockheed had 90 days from the point of the November contract award to decide whether it would file an appeal, but that deadline passed at the end of January, a Lockheed spokesman tells FlightGlobal. But there are other ways Lockheed could still dispute the unilateral contract, including filing a certified claim under the Contract Disputes Act, filing a request for equitable adjustment, and requesting alternate dispute resolution under the Joint Strike Fighter memorandum of agreement, an industry source tells FlightGlobal.

Lockheed is building, but has not delivered, LRIP 9 jets and the first jet from the lot flew in early January. The company will build the jets and deliver them in 2017, whether the company appeals or not, a Lockheed spokesman says.

A legal decision would only affect the price of LRIP 9. If Lockheed filed for equitable adjustment, the company would argue the government committed an error in the contract and must pay the company more, Center for Strategic and International Studies analyst Andrew Hunter says. Whil a contract dispute deals with specific numbers, equitable adjustment addresses how the contract is enforced.

“Lockheed Martin must now execute a contract under the terms, conditions and price set forth under LRIP 9,” a Joint Program Office spokesman says. “They may file a claim in accordance with the disputes clause of the contract.”

When asked during a 24 January fourth quarter 2016 earnings call whether Lockheed would take legal action on LRIP 9, chief executive Marillyn Hewson intimated the company was in no rush to appeal.

“On LRIP 9, we’re not under any pressure to do anything,” she says. “We’re going to continue to look at our options on LRIP 9.”

Hewson also said Lockheed was very close to an LRIP 10 deal, which would include 90 jets, and the company expects to negotiate lot 11 by the end of 2017. That year will mark a significant ramp up for the F-35 production line, with 66 aircraft expected to deliver by the end of the year compared to 46 delivered in 2016.

With those deals still in the pipeline, some analysts doubt that Lockheed would take legal action that could upset the Pentagon.

“I would be very shocked if they did any of those,” says Dan Grazier, a fellow at the Project on Government Oversight. “This is speculation, but it’s pretty obvious Lockheed is trying to get the block buy signed, so the last thing they want to do is frustrate the Pentagon with paperwork.”
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Air Force Brat

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Sixty-six more JSF coming in 2017.

...and the beat goes on.

Yep, and the Trumpster found out that Chris Bogdan has beat this program into a functional, affordable, flyable aircraft. It will continue to be so, and with the close scrutiny here, the Trumpster will "keep his eye on the ball. So everybody gets to say what they need to say to get this baby "up to snuff". But the Govt pushing Lockheed into a corner on block 9 is just, here's what Ill give you for this, that my final offer! take it or leave it, this was after Trump's election, and Lockheed was already on notice.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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I'm hearing a lot of hate building up specifically aimed at the F-35C at the moment. The 'anti-F-35' brigade, having realised they won't get the whole program cancelled, seem to have directed their campaign at a specific variant, the Navy's C model, as it is the furthest from entering service and has a few teething problems (mainly associated with the nose leg oscillating too much at the start of the catapult stroke leading to physical pain in the pilot's necks. The weight of the helmet might be a contributory factor too...)
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The underlying theme seems to be as usual an attempt to get the Super Hornet selected instead of the lightning (for international customers as well as the USN). The Super Hornet is an amazing aircraft to be sure, but it is the aircraft of today, not tomorrow. If the C is cancelled the USN will become the poor relation of the US armed forces in terms of capability, and would have to rely on it's 'junior service' the USMC to provide it's first strike aircraft (F-35B) on 'day one' of a campaign and follow up with 'bomb trucks', the Super Hornets.

We are of course talking about the future, i.e. five years from now and for the next three or four decades. The SH is a fine match for potential adversaries flying now, but this is about facing threats still in development. Back in the forties the Grumman Hellcat was one of the best fighters in the world, but how would the US have faced the future back then if they had said it was 'good enough' and cancelled new aircraft development? Into the sixties facing Mig 21s, 23s etc. with Hellcats? I'm exaggerating a bit but the point is still valid. Ten years from now the SH will still be a valid and viable frontline aircraft, but twenty years? Thirty years?

If the C is cancelled (and I truly hope not) then the only viable option for the USN would be to buy the B model and start integrating STOVL operations onto the big deck carriers (it has been done before, as far back as the mid 70s a USMC Harrier sqn was assigned to the air wing of the USS Franklin D Roosevelt on her final deployment and was able to fit in with the normal deck cycles quite easily. iBlvzBn.jpg

I think it's a 'manufactured crisis' myself, the naysayers have been trying to cancel the F-35 program for nearly two decades and have so far failed miserably. You can criticise the financial side of the program and the management of it, but the cold hard fact is the plane is amazingly capable. The guys who have flown it don't want to go into battle in anything else they have ever flown, including F-15s, F-16s, F/A-18s, Harriers, Typhoons, Tornados, you name it. These are seasoned veterans for the most part, and it's their own lives they are risking in combat. When they say THIS is the aircraft they want to have strapped to their backs when the fur starts flying, believe them.

If you want to put LockMarts management against a wall and line up a firing squad, that's an entirely different matter...
 

Obi Wan Russell

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If memory serves the Charlie Lightning is a USN only bird well the Alpha and Bravo have export buyers.
Indeed. The RN was going to be customer for a short while between 2010-12 but reverted back to the B. At present no other carrier operating Navy has shown interest in the C. As a result it has the shortest projected production run and less common components than the other two variants. It is however a capability upgrade the USN cannot afford to go without, hence if the C is cancelled the best alternative will be the B, not the Super Hornet.
 
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